Dmb has not peaked

Brock · Post by **Brock** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:17 am

mbgreen wrote:No. They peaked. Anyone who says they'd rather see one of today's shows than a 1998 show is just wrong and deaf.

mbgreen · Post by **mbgreen** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:17 am

KahnTheRevelator wrote:
mbgreen wrote:No. They peaked. Anyone who says they'd rather see one of today's shows than a 1998 show is just wrong and deaf.
I don't know. Now that I think about it. If I had to choose a year to see a show from I'd pick '03. Resurfacing of a lot of older songs, some sweet improv jams, D&T, Central Park......

03 was the worst d&t tour out of all the d&t tours. That doesn't mean it was shitty, but out of all of them, it was the worst. Central Park is a good show, yes. But they had that kind of energy nightly 1998 and prior. And improv? Well...you can have your opinion, but like I said, you're wrong.

c_tietze · Post by **c_tietze** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:20 am

It's opinion based of course.

However, based on the fanbase, the quality of the new tunes and the importance of advertising on t.v. have all clued me into the fact that the days of BTCS was the heyday.

i like tictacs · Post by **i like tictacs** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:17 am

Nitro1515 wrote:I think they peaked with the 2000 tour and the LWS. You could argue that those songs in a finished state produced by Lillywhite would have been on par, if not better than anything on BTCS.

bingo

i like tictacs · Post by **i like tictacs** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:19 am

mbgreen wrote:No. They peaked. Anyone who says they'd rather see one of today's shows than a 1998 show is just wrong and deaf.

i'd much, much rather see one of the august '04 shows with the AMAZING sugar wills, hello agains and NO everyday or Stand Up whatsoever. Those shows were incredible.

whatshername · Post by **whatshername** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:29 am

i like tictacs wrote:
mbgreen wrote:No. They peaked. Anyone who says they'd rather see one of today's shows than a 1998 show is just wrong and deaf.
i'd much, much rather see one of the august '04 shows with the AMAZING sugar wills, hello agains and NO everyday or Stand Up whatsoever. Those shows were incredible.

agreed

i miss sugarwill, crazy-easy, good good time, and joyride. and the OLD hello, again.

Kahn · Post by **Kahn** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:32 am

mbgreen wrote:
KahnTheRevelator wrote:
mbgreen wrote:No. They peaked. Anyone who says they'd rather see one of today's shows than a 1998 show is just wrong and deaf.
I don't know. Now that I think about it. If I had to choose a year to see a show from I'd pick '03. Resurfacing of a lot of older songs, some sweet improv jams, D&T, Central Park......
03 was the worst d&t tour out of all the d&t tours. That doesn't mean it was shitty, but out of all of them, it was the worst. Central Park is a good show, yes. But they had that kind of energy nightly 1998 and prior. And improv? Well...you can have your opinion, but like I said, you're wrong.

I have about 6 or 7 shows from the '03 tour all with improv jams leading into songs like Fool to Think and the Stone.

Brock · Post by **Brock** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:33 am

thankfully, they're still playing hello again live like they did last year. don't ask me why they felt the need to butcher it on the album. i do miss all of the old new songs though

but even with all of those, I'd take a '98 show with the 'tones over them any day.

i like tictacs · Post by **i like tictacs** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:35 am

bbatsell wrote:thankfully, they're still playing hello again live like they did last year. don't ask me why they felt the need to butcher it on the album. i do miss all of the old new songs though

but even with all of those, I'd take a '98 show with the 'tones over them any day.

true, if you want to attribute the tones period to their peak.

gcom007 · Post by **gcom007** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:19 pm

I am extremely confident that they peaked.

i like tictacs · Post by **i like tictacs** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:39 pm

I'd say, this band hasn't peaked actually. They are more or less on a rollercoaster. Up (95) leveled off in 96-97, went up more in 98, came down in 99 just a little, up again in 2000, down in 2001, up in 2002, stayed there in '03, and down in early 04, up more in late 04, now they are leveling again.

jellyfish · Post by **jellyfish** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:56 pm

bbatsell wrote:
mbgreen wrote:No. They peaked. Anyone who says they'd rather see one of today's shows than a 1998 show is just wrong and deaf.

OK, then. I was just listening to a 2004 version of Recently & it was incredible, same as all the other songs on the Warehouse disc's. All the songs are after 1998 and they are incredible.

BUt apparently Im wrong & deaf for not jumping on the bandwagon

c_tietze · Post by **c_tietze** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:38 pm

jellyfish wrote:
bbatsell wrote:
mbgreen wrote:No. They peaked. Anyone who says they'd rather see one of today's shows than a 1998 show is just wrong and deaf.
OK, then. I was just listening to a 2004 version of Recently & it was incredible, same as all the other songs on the Warehouse disc's. All the songs are after 1998 and they are incredible.

BUt apparently Im wrong & deaf for not jumping on the bandwagon

Quote of the fucking day.

Jelly, I'm willing to bet that the folks that do not think DMB has peaked and think that SU is their greatest venture so far are younger, between 16 and 21 years old.

Going to a DMB show was a different experience as few as two years ago. DMB is a highly commercial band and as such the fanbase has changed (for the worse).

This is the first year in nearly ten that I have not bought tix to see DMB live.

i like tictacs · Post by **i like tictacs** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:33 pm

And in comes the horseback riders.

mbgreen · Post by **mbgreen** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:04 pm

jellyfish wrote:
bbatsell wrote:
mbgreen wrote:No. They peaked. Anyone who says they'd rather see one of today's shows than a 1998 show is just wrong and deaf.
OK, then. I was just listening to a 2004 version of Recently & it was incredible, same as all the other songs on the Warehouse disc's. All the songs are after 1998 and they are incredible.

BUt apparently Im wrong & deaf for not jumping on the bandwagon

You're listening to hand-picked compilations on those WH discs, of course they're going to be good stuff. I'm not saying they haven't had a stellar performance here and there in the last 6 years...they have. But night in and night out, their energy and Dave's voice in particular is just not what it used to be.

I just don't see how you can honestly sit down and listen to two concerts and say that one from the current era is better than one from 1998. Dave's voice, the setlists, the solos, the brilliant material, the guests...it just boggles me how you'd trade all that for a couple new average songs. Yeah there are a few good new songs. But let's be honest: The new albums have been ripe with filler. You go listen to UTTAD, Crash, and BTCS, and those are fucking ALBUMS.

EDIT: I just want to be clear that the arguement isn't that they suck. It's that they peaked. I think some people have trouble making that distinction.