Stay or Leave Tuning

GuitarGuy610 · Post by **GuitarGuy610** » Wed May 28, 2003 8:08 pm

Ok guys, so Stay or Leave is set in E with a capo on 7 (making it hard to get to the 8,9 and 10th frets) or set in B-E-A-D-F#-B (raised B)

So I play it with the capo and it sounds fine but I cant get up to the 8, 9, and 10th frets. So I decided to tune my guitar to raised B. As soon as I got to the A string, it snapped along with the low E. I had just put on a brand new set of Elixirs and I am upset. Can someone tell me what to tune my guitar to or how to play SorL w/o breaking strings?

jsgksu · Post by **jsgksu** » Wed May 28, 2003 8:27 pm

I dont know how to off hand but I know this has been discussed and you could find it with a search probably.

subotai · Post by **subotai** » Wed May 28, 2003 8:44 pm

Thats what you basically need to do. If you plan on using that tuning you will need to restring your guitar or have an extra one laying around in raised B like Dave does.

GuitarGuy610 · Post by **GuitarGuy610** » Thu May 29, 2003 5:00 am

If only I had an extra guitar.....

grock · Post by **grock** » Thu May 29, 2003 8:55 am

i think all the songs that are tuned for raised B should have a big fat warning. i swear it happens once a week that someone comes on here about how they broke their strings.

YOU CAN NOT TUNE A REGULAR GUITAR WITH NORMAL STRING GUAGES TO RAISED B.

GuitarGuy610 · Post by **GuitarGuy610** » Thu May 29, 2003 9:05 am

I found that out

ScroogeMcDuck · Post by **ScroogeMcDuck** » Thu May 29, 2003 9:32 am

why don't you play it in standard tuning?

DustyDave · Post by **DustyDave** » Thu May 29, 2003 2:01 pm

grock wrote:i think all the songs that are tuned for raised B should have a big fat warning. i swear it happens once a week that someone comes on here about how they broke their strings.

YOU CAN NOT TUNE A REGULAR GUITAR WITH NORMAL STRING GUAGES TO RAISED B.

So true

ihopeyoulockedthedoor · Thu May 29, 2003 2:23 pm

baritone's aren't that expensive......it doesn't have to be a taylor

and think of what you'll save in strings.....

DreaminBassMunky · Post by **DreaminBassMunky** » Thu May 29, 2003 3:09 pm

ScroogeMcDuck wrote:why don't you play it in standard tuning?

thats what I do, I thought it sounded fine. I am too lazy to go through the trouble of raising and lowering strings, it's a pain in the ass with the tuning pegs on my dad's 30 year old guitar anyway.

jsgksu · Post by **jsgksu** » Thu May 29, 2003 3:30 pm

ihopeyoulockedthedoor wrote:baritone's aren't that expensive......it doesn't have to be a taylor

and think of what you'll save in strings.....

I dont think Baritone tuning and Raised B are the same thing. I could be wrong though, am I?

littlefriend · Post by **littlefriend** » Thu May 29, 2003 4:52 pm

I think that the gauge of strings used on a Baritone guitar allow them to be tuned to raised B. They are thicker and can be wound tighter without being snapped. Or you can just use heavier gauged strings on a regular guitar and tune it up to raised B.

Brock · Post by **Brock** » Thu May 29, 2003 5:42 pm

littlefriend420 wrote:I think that the gauge of strings used on a Baritone guitar allow them to be tuned to raised B. They are thicker and can be wound tighter without being snapped. Or you can just use heavier gauged strings on a regular guitar and tune it up to raised B.

Hmm... that doesn't seem right to me... baritone is two whole octaves below raised B...

Kanter posted the gauges Dave uses for his Raised B Taylor here. In that thread, he goes on to say that he strung his new Martin the same way and it worked fine.

grock · Post by **grock** » Fri May 30, 2003 8:51 am

no no no

a lighter guage string can be tuned higher. that is why the high E string is so much smaller than the low E string.

Baritone tuning is only one octave lower than raised B. Raised B is 7 notes higher, and baritone is 5 notes lower than standard. that makes 12 notes, or one octave.

But the notes of Raised B and Baritone are the same. just Baritone is an octave lower.

if you want to tune to Raised B you must use LIGHTER guage strings. baritone needs heavier guages and a longer neck. this is why a Bass has such a long neck. think of a baritone as kinda halfway between a standard guitar and Bass.

Do some internet searches about guitars and how they work. i think far too many people don't really have a good understanding of how a guitar works and why things look like they do. it helps out immensley in knowing and progressing in you playing.

DMB3401 · Post by **DMB3401** » Fri May 30, 2003 12:48 pm

Isn't this in the faq?