Keeping a feeling in a song???

blaze · Post by **blaze** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:37 am

I find when a make a chord progression for a verse. I find it really hard to get the same feeling with trying to make a chores using differant chords.

any comments??

grock · Post by **grock** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:49 pm

what like its not smooth transition or something. i don't understand your question.

three ideas

1. sometimes it is good to have a different feeling for chorus and verse.

2. sometimes it is better to have no chorus at all. i have a few songs that are more like compositions than verse chorus bridge songs.

3 learn theory. it makes it so much easier to transition and understand how "five of fives" can move you or cadences or whatever.

ryopan · Post by **ryopan** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:51 pm

you can just switch your verse chords up just a little. the feel should be the same but your vocal part would distinguish it from the verse.

borocks · Post by **borocks** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 4:22 pm

Yeah it's right what ryopan said, I would try to substitute some chords or just change a chord with one you have not used yet...

just try

MWR · Post by **MWR** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:14 pm

Changing keys can be effective. The simplest way would be to change to a relative minor/major.

Davy28 · Post by **Davy28** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:52 pm

Like go from G to Em, D to Bm, F to Dm and so on.

fatjack · Post by **fatjack** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:12 pm

MWR wrote:Changing keys can be effective. The simplest way would be to change to a relative minor/major.

meh, thats not really much of a change, still using the exact same chords

Davy28 · Post by **Davy28** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:30 pm

You are, but in different ways.

fatjack · Post by **fatjack** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:58 pm

Davy28 wrote:You are, but in different ways.

how so? if you mean just changing the order, thats already been covered

ryopan · Post by **ryopan** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:27 pm

*snap*

blaze · Post by **blaze** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:49 am

ok I read this guitar book that had some thery in it like scales and stuff and some shit on the net about the same thing. But I dont understand when to use what scale. The only thing I really picked up was the pentatonic at the top of the neck, like playing little blues tunes on it. After I started trying to learn a bit of thery I started getting kinda depressed about playing for some reason. I always hear you guys trashing John how hes all technical and no feel. Thats not what I wanna become! Will I if I learn theory?? Most of the shit I come up with ( cause I kinda like just improvising rather then learning lots of songs) is trail and error or rules Iv kinda invented on my own. I have also picked up sounds of stuff iv learn and kinda just know where that sound is. guesse you can call it playing by ear??? I duno.

anyways

1. This means nothing to my other then the fact i know major and minor chords can you explain. like give me an example. that would be awsome.

????"Changing keys can be effective. The simplest way would be to change to a relative minor/major." ???

2. whats the coralation betwwen "G and Em", "D and Bm", "F and Dm" . don't get it

????"Like go from G to Em, D to Bm, F to Dm and so on."????

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:31 am

if you have feeling to begin with, learning theory isn't going to change that.

the problem i think a lot of people have with john mayer is that he uses theory to build a song like he is making a cake. he knows what sounds good where, what is the proper amount of such and such... if you learn theory right, it'll be like buying more colors of paint for your pictures. no harm there.

ryopan · Post by **ryopan** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:18 am

Jay wrote: if you learn theory right, it'll be like buying more colors of paint for your pictures. no harm there.

damn good analogy

Davy28 · Post by **Davy28** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 1:52 pm

blaze wrote:ok I read this guitar book that had some thery in it like scales and stuff and some shit on the net about the same thing. But I dont understand when to use what scale. The only thing I really picked up was the pentatonic at the top of the neck, like playing little blues tunes on it. After I started trying to learn a bit of thery I started getting kinda depressed about playing for some reason. I always hear you guys trashing John how hes all technical and no feel. Thats not what I wanna become! Will I if I learn theory?? Most of the shit I come up with ( cause I kinda like just improvising rather then learning lots of songs) is trail and error or rules Iv kinda invented on my own. I have also picked up sounds of stuff iv learn and kinda just know where that sound is. guesse you can call it playing by ear??? I duno.

anyways

1. This means nothing to my other then the fact i know major and minor chords can you explain. like give me an example. that would be awsome.

????"Changing keys can be effective. The simplest way would be to change to a relative minor/major." ???

2. whats the coralation betwwen "G and Em", "D and Bm", "F and Dm" . don't get it

????"Like go from G to Em, D to Bm, F to Dm and so on."????

Em scale has all the same notes as G major, but starting on E. The same is true for the other minor scales I mentioned. Dave uses relative minors and majors in several songs. The verse of #41 is in Em, but the chorus is in G. The Verse of Two Step is in Dm, but the Chorus is in F. The same is true for the Stone. Dave utilizes Drop-D tuning, normally used for playing in D, for playing in Bm on crush. Spoon is played in Em.

sunglassesatnight · Post by **sunglassesatnight** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 10:58 pm

I always thought that the theory dorks out there were playing theory way up--that is until I learned some. It is such an eye opener to understand why a song works and why another doesn't and moreso than that, how to make it work. I can't express how valuable I feel it is to all instruments, guitar, piano, whatever. You just start getting things. I really suggest it.