Stay or Leave on Baritone???????????

Lexington Steele · Post by **Lexington Steele** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 10:11 am

If you look in the CD booklet of SD, its says that on Stay or Leave dave played the acoustic guitar and baritone guitar. Any idea what he plays on the baritone???????

Lex

The Man of The Hour · Sun Nov 23, 2003 10:36 am

Just played in "raised B" tuning, which is basically if you tuned your normal guitar up 7 half-steps, you'd arrive at this one. I recommend NOT trying this, however, there is some great alternatives to achieve this sound. A Capo on the 7th fret and playing relative to that works, and also replacing strings with different ones, although I don't have the order right now, it's definitely in a search. I recommend just playing it like it is, you play the exact same song, only in a different tune.

DMBFan63 · Post by **DMBFan63** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 10:38 am

What he is saying is he thought it was in raised B.. raised b is the exact same as baritone, just on the other side of the scale..

Lexington Steele · Post by **Lexington Steele** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 12:01 pm

Yeah, i know its in raised B. Is that what they are refering to as baritone?
I figured the acoustic was the raised B and he plays over it with the acoustic baritone towards the end of the song when the orchestra came in. Like durning the deep parts. "Oh" is obviously raised B, but it just says he plays the acoustic. So i guess the baritone is the raised B and the acoustic is just refering to fills done in standard tuning. I think i might be over cooking this thought. Oh well.

Lex

Brock · Post by **Brock** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 1:55 pm

Baritone is Raised B an octave lower. Therefore, I would imagine whatever was played on the CD track that has listed as baritone was some octave fills.

DMBFan63 · Post by **DMBFan63** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 4:48 pm

that's what i meant baritone is the opposite end of the spectrum then raised B.. they are usually called the same thing..

Davy28 · Post by **Davy28** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:06 pm

I think a baritone is played when the orchestra comes in, just with no distortion and well blended in wth the acoustic.

grock · Post by **grock** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:40 am

DMBFan63 wrote:that's what i meant baritone is the opposite end of the spectrum then raised B.. they are usually called the same thing..

i disagree. raised B and standard can be played on the same acoustic guitar. whther it is in either tuning doesn't matter and will be listed as acoustic guitar. if it's in Drop D it still says acoustic too.

baritone necessitates a different kind of guitar. so that's why it lists it as a different kind of guitar. like how the whole sitar thing shows up. or electric. it is a different kind of guitar.

like bass guitar is an octave lower than standard and it is always listed as a seperate kind of guitar.

baritone NEVER refers to raised B.

DMBFan63 · Post by **DMBFan63** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 1:59 pm

I'm not talking about guitar.. i mean in music in general.. i think baritone usually refers to either or..

grock · Post by **grock** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 2:51 pm

DMBFan63 wrote:I'm not talking about guitar.. i mean in music in general.. i think baritone usually refers to either or..

tenor/alto and all that are for specific frequency ranges. not specific pitchs like how you are thinking. it is good logic but that's just not how they do it. usually guitars are thought of like this

Octave guitar, which is an octave higher than standard

Alto guitar, which is usually tuned up a fourth to A or even up to B or C

Standard guitar, duh.

Baritone guitar, which is tuned down a fifth to B or as low as A

and Bass guitar, which is an octave lower than standard

which when loosely translated to Alto, Soprano, Tenor, and Bass, the baritone is more in the tenor/bass range, while the raised B guitar is in the alto guitar range.

when we say raised B and baritone we are talking about guitars with at least a full octave difference in range. no one would would say a standard and a bass are the same, right?

incidently, anyone ever heard of the Papoose? it is a specific kind of alto. it shows up on a lot of country/nashville recordings and is just a good example of an alto guitar.

Davy28 · Post by **Davy28** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:32 pm

Never heard of it. Whats the tuning?

grock · Post by **grock** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:25 am

Davy28 wrote:Never heard of it. Whats the tuning?

the papoose is like standard tuned up to A

sunglassesatnight · Post by **sunglassesatnight** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:38 pm

Doesn't Leo Kottke play his version of "Jesu Joy of Man's Desiring" on an octave guitar? But who really cares. He is incredible.

ericwormann · Post by **ericwormann** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:27 pm

grock wrote:
DMBFan63 wrote:incidently, anyone ever heard of the Papoose? it is a specific kind of alto. it shows up on a lot of country/nashville recordings and is just a good example of an alto guitar.

Funny you should mention that, I have a picture of myself playing one right here: (the one in the middle with the yellow shirt)
http://lorikrug.com/images/photos/lori9.htm

I was asked to record a song for my friend's cd and she handed me that guitar. I felt ridiculous playing it, but it sounded kinda cool.

Davy28 · Post by **Davy28** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:54 pm

grock wrote:
Davy28 wrote:Never heard of it. Whats the tuning?
the papoose is like standard tuned up to A

So its like raised B but one whole step lower.