Drum Tabs?

[pie21]

I dislike the fact that they are presented in the mildly retarded manner that you are making.

Well that's alright, as long as you don't object to them in principle anymore. I really don't understand why you hate tabs so much. They aren't supposed to be professional manuscripts, nor musical works of art. They're just learning aids, they help you learn the song. They're just simpler and far, far easier to write than standard notation.

As for the 30 mins, I think that was a slight exaggeration.

EDIT: I've used Finale (and F. Notepad) before, but I don't really like them. Even if they did put the right notes with the right noteheads in the right places, it just looks bad. Kind of cheap or something, I don't know. They're good programs for normal instruments, but they don't really have very good support for drums. I'm getting Sibelius, which is more professional, and hopefully better all round.

[brian_ok]

Can you post an example of a drum tab? I've never seen one...I've always just seen percussion written on a 'blank clef'.

Once, I saw a site with piano tabs, I shit you not. Dumbest thing I've ever seen, especially considering that any dumbass can sight read on a piano after oh, say, 30 minutes of instruction.

i seriously hope you're joking

? No. Definetly serious.

[jkanter]

I've read this thread a bunch of times. Would any of you drummers be willing to write out sheet music for any dmb songs?

I like the idea of drum tabs...100%...but I understand a purists thoughts on how it's useless. It can go either way. Bottom line is all drummers read sheet music so I'd be more than willing to throw up some drum sheet music if you guys put that stuff together.

I'm also open to the idea of drum tabs as long as it's known that it's ONLY TO HELP BEGINNERS.

Thoughts on both ideas above?

pie21....DMBTabs...welcome to it

[pie21]

I've read this thread a bunch of times. Would any of you drummers be willing to write out sheet music for any dmb songs?

I like the idea of drum tabs...100%...but I understand a purists thoughts on how it's useless. It can go either way. Bottom line is all drummers read sheet music so I'd be more than willing to throw up some drum sheet music if you guys put that stuff together.

I'm also open to the idea of drum tabs as long as it's known that it's ONLY TO HELP BEGINNERS.

Thoughts on both ideas above?

pie21....DMBTabs...welcome to it

^ Deja vu

Okay, I've just finished my first song in sheet music form. So Much To Say, because it's fairly simple. Execpt it's not really 'finished' per se. I've written out all the notes, but it looks very much a mess. I'll have to seperate sections, maybe throw in some repeats and stuff, but the point is the notes are there.

Here's what it looks like at the moment - PAGE 1, PAGE 2, PAGE 3, or all in one LONG PICTURE.

Now I'll say it again in case you didn't catch it the first time - this is not a finished work. It's my first ever piece of sheet music with this program, and I'm still learning the ropes. I am showing it in the hope that you'll tell me what I should do to make it better.

Currently the problems I see are that it's not separated into sections (messy), and that there are some bars that I could simply use the 'repeat previous bar' thing, that looks kinda like -//-. Also, please tell me if there's too many/too few of anything like accents and rests.

Basically, this was just written up direct from my tab, and ATM I dont really see the difference between tab and sheet, except that the sheet music is far harder to read. Thoughts?

[i-am-me]

i'm not a drummer...but i have a questoin. from looking at that sheet music you put up, how do you know which one of those bars is which part of the kit? is there a set thing?

[pie21]

i'm not a drummer...but i have a questoin. from looking at that sheet music you put up, how do you know which one of those bars is which part of the kit? is there a set thing?

Yeah, if you were a drummer and you'd seen sheet music before you'd know. Except maybe for a couple of cymbals.



^ Circles are drums, x's are cymbals.
Yellow is bass drum, Red is snare, Green are toms (lighter = higher).
The first (and last) Blue is hihat - this can be put in either spot really, it depends who's writing it, Dark Blue is ride, Cyan is crash, Hot Pink is splash, Orange is china, and the Lavender cross down the bottom in playing the hihat by closing with the foot. And that's how you read sheet music .

I would really like some feedback on this sheet music so I know what to fix if I do another one.

[Mikey]

i'm not a drummer...but i have a questoin. from looking at that sheet music you put up, how do you know which one of those bars is which part of the kit? is there a set thing?

Yeah, if you were a drummer and you'd seen sheet music before you'd know. Except maybe for a couple of cymbals.



^ Circles are drums, x's are cymbals.
Yellow is bass drum, Red is snare, Green are toms (lighter = higher).
The first (and last) Blue is hihat - this can be put in either spot really, it depends who's writing it, Dark Blue is ride, Cyan is crash, Hot Pink is splash, Orange is china, and the Lavender cross down the bottom in playing the hihat by closing with the foot. And that's how you read sheet music .

I would really like some feedback on this sheet music so I know what to fix if I do another one.

That'd be a bummer if you didnt have a color printer .

Either sheet music or tabs, I think this could be a good idea for the site. If you want, you can post drum tabs in a sticky thread in the other instruments forum, so those who aren't about sheet music can check it out.

By the way, its great to see a new member trying to sincerly contribute to the boards. I think I speak on behalf of the boards (besides bk maybe) that we appriciate it.

[bassman462]

i'm not a drummer...but i have a questoin. from looking at that sheet music you put up, how do you know which one of those bars is which part of the kit? is there a set thing?

Yeah, if you were a drummer and you'd seen sheet music before you'd know. Except maybe for a couple of cymbals.



^ Circles are drums, x's are cymbals.
Yellow is bass drum, Red is snare, Green are toms (lighter = higher).
The first (and last) Blue is hihat - this can be put in either spot really, it depends who's writing it, Dark Blue is ride, Cyan is crash, Hot Pink is splash, Orange is china, and the Lavender cross down the bottom in playing the hihat by closing with the foot. And that's how you read sheet music .

I would really like some feedback on this sheet music so I know what to fix if I do another one.

That'd be a bummer if you didnt have a color printer .

Either sheet music or tabs, I think this could be a good idea for the site. If you want, you can post drum tabs in a sticky thread in the other instruments forum, so those who aren't about sheet music can check it out.

By the way, its great to see a new member trying to sincerly contribute to the boards. I think I speak on behalf of the boards (besides bk maybe) that we appriciate it.

i hope that was a joke

[pie21]

That'd be a bummer if you didnt have a color printer .

Either sheet music or tabs, I think this could be a good idea for the site. If you want, you can post drum tabs in a sticky thread in the other instruments forum, so those who aren't about sheet music can check it out.

By the way, its great to see a new member trying to sincerly contribute to the boards. I think I speak on behalf of the boards (besides bk maybe) that we appriciate it.

Well thank you, it's nice to have some proper approval And Roger ftw!

The problem with putting tabs in threads is they're long. #41 takes up a good 5 A4 pages in Word, but I suppose if there was an index or something you could find em. Good thinking.
EDIT: THERE we go. Tell me if I'm doing anything wrong

As for BK, he may act all tough, but I know that deep down he's as soft and fluffy as the next person

[carter29]

I skimmed this thread

Drum tabs and sheet music for drums are not a critical tool for drummer. Tabs are weak compared to sheet music rendering them even less useful for a drummer. I only feel the need to look at sheet music if I am trying to figure out every stroke in a fill. Any pattern can easily be copied without sheets, crank the volume for ghost notes. Honestly kanter, I would not even look at drum sheet music if you put it up, and I am one of about 4-5 drummer at this site. I would not even consider wasting my time making a sheet for a song. It would take a good while to make a sheet, I wouldnt do it b/c after listening to a beat I can instantly sit on my kit and play it without mapping it out.

And you said it should be for begginers, well beginners shouldnt be playing carter note-for-note, this is too advanced for beginners

[pie21]

Tabs are weak compared to sheet music...

Where have I heard that before?

Can someone please give a reason why tabs are so useless? Apart from inherent dislike, that is. As far as I'm concerned, if a sheet and a tab are both right then they are exactly the same, at least as far as learning is concerned. Maybe standard notation and snycopation and all the rest are better for your skills, but that's not really the point in question.

Also, tabs are far quicker to write. You say writing up a sheet would take "a good while", which I guess is partly true, but a tab only takes about an hour. Nothing. And writing a sheet is far quicker if you copy straight off a tab (a correct one of course).

[Blake]

By the way, its great to see a new member trying to sincerly contribute to the boards. I think I speak on behalf of the boards (besides bk maybe) that we appriciate it.

I whole-heartedly agree. Your participation in the growth of this site is definitely appreciated. Thank you. I'm not a drummer, but I think drum tabs can be an excellent asset to this site. They can't do anything but help imo. But, I'm not a drummer, so my opinion on this subject can only go so far.

[Beauford33]

I skimmed this thread

Drum tabs and sheet music for drums are not a critical tool for drummer. Tabs are weak compared to sheet music rendering them even less useful for a drummer. I only feel the need to look at sheet music if I am trying to figure out every stroke in a fill. Any pattern can easily be copied without sheets, crank the volume for ghost notes. Honestly kanter, I would not even look at drum sheet music if you put it up, and I am one of about 4-5 drummer at this site. I would not even consider wasting my time making a sheet for a song. It would take a good while to make a sheet, I wouldnt do it b/c after listening to a beat I can instantly sit on my kit and play it without mapping it out.

And you said it should be for begginers, well beginners shouldnt be playing carter note-for-note, this is too advanced for beginners

Thank you. Im with you 100% on this. I might be willing to maybe help out on a fill or just explaining the idea behind a groove (after all, learning to understand rather then learning to immulate is much more useful), but as far as an ENTIRE song? No thanks.

[DJR]

Can you post an example of a drum tab? I've never seen one...I've always just seen percussion written on a 'blank clef'.

Once, I saw a site with piano tabs, I shit you not. Dumbest thing I've ever seen, especially considering that any dumbass can sight read on a piano after oh, say, 30 minutes of instruction.

i seriously hope you're joking

? No. Definetly serious.

then you're just wrong - any 'dumbass' could sightread piano after half and hour....thats absurd - maybe someone with a musical background, but not just anyone

[bassman462]

Tabs are weak compared to sheet music...

Where have I heard that before?

Can someone please give a reason why tabs are so useless? Apart from inherent dislike, that is. As far as I'm concerned, if a sheet and a tab are both right then they are exactly the same, at least as far as learning is concerned. Maybe standard notation and snycopation and all the rest are better for your skills, but that's not really the point in question.

Also, tabs are far quicker to write. You say writing up a sheet would take "a good while", which I guess is partly true, but a tab only takes about an hour. Nothing. And writing a sheet is far quicker if you copy straight off a tab (a correct one of course).

my main reason is tabs are like sheet music for dummies. its really easy to understand. even drums wise, because tabs tell you which peice of equipment and give you all this information before the actual contents come up, with sheet music, there's actual memorization and knowledge needed for it. also tabs unproffesional, and sheet music is used in the proffesional world. hope that made sense.