mixer suggestions...

[mattinbeloit]

Ok well i have been wanting a mic. for a while and yesterday my parents gave me a shure KSM27 for my birthday. I'm going to be recording through my creative audigy 2 platinum pro so i need some kind if mixer that provides phantom power that i can run a line out to go right into my sound card. Well, i was going to buy the Behringer Eurorack UB802 because it's the smallest and cheapest thing i could find that does phantom power. Well, talking to a guy at a music store today he said that Behringer is being sued right now because these mixers are cheep copies of tascim mixers and that i should buy a tascam mixer because the difference between the 2 of them will be like night and day in recording quality. The tascam was $119 and the Behringer was $49.99 so im not sure if the guy was telling me the truth or just trying to get me to buy something more expensive. Have any of you had any experience with the Behringer mixers or can you guys suggest another mixer for me because i don't want to spend much over $50 on this. Thanks.

[catho]

They might very likely be getting sued right now by Tascam. But think about the motive of tascam bringing out the legal-brigade? Obviously Behringer must have been a real blow to their sales.

So what does this mean? Well, Behringer makes really affordable products with more features than you should get at the price. When it comes to mixers I would get the UB802 for sure! No doubt.

However, I have heard that certain Behringer products create hiss, such as one of their DI Boxes. But I have never heard the same about their mixers, if anything it would have to do with reliability, however, at that price first of all you get the warranty and second of all you could get another one and still save 20 bucks rather than buying the Tascam equal.

I got a Behringer V-AMP2 I might add, and it serves me great. Brilliant construction and brilliant features. I'm going for the UB502 tomorrow since its the smallest mixer there is on the market right now, so you might consider me partial. However, if it cost double and where by Tascam I would get it anyway.. because its the only one of its size (excluding minimixers that only got volume).

Get the UB802, it will have everything you require. If you think about getting a dedicated tubepreamp instead consider the fact that you might want to add mics in the future and your friend might come over and you want to record a jam etc. The extra inputs on the mixer will get their use eventually.

The guy at the store wanted to make some money probably, thats all. A similiar thing happened to me recently, I was at my local music store for a 9V adapter that they marketed at their site for 10USD, great price. But when I got there they said it was sold out but he had another one, the difference being that it cost three times as much and had half as much mA capacity as the one I wanted. Sure, it was stabilized but that wasnt an issue for my stompboxes. Lesson to be learnt, vendors are your enemy.

[Mjazk26]

I have a Behringer UB1002 and it works fine as far as I can tell. I'm definitly no recording pro but I have not had any problems. I just recently read an article that Behringer and Rhode are making great products cheaper then every seen by improving manufacturing efficiency. By using more efficient manufacturing techniques and keeping quality at a constant they have opened up a new market for recording gear to an entire new customer base that could not have afforded this level of gear only ten years ago.

[mattinbeloit]

Ya i think someone just wanted to make a sale...

[Mjazk26]

Ya i think someone just wanted to make a sale...

Make sure when you pick your mixer you get one of the Behringers that has phantom power. Your going to need this for some mics and the lower end Behringers don't have it. Lower end meaning under like $40

[catho]

Ya i think someone just wanted to make a sale...

Make sure when you pick your mixer you get one of the Behringers that has phantom power. Your going to need this for some mics and the lower end Behringers don't have it. Lower end meaning under like $40

I believe that all powered Behringer mixers except the UB502 have 48v phantom power. I myself dont need it because I use a dynamic mic but for you condenser users it's a must.

[fatjack]

i would get anything BUT behringer. thye may seem like a good deal because they are so cheap, but that's exactly what they are: CHEAP. you will sacrifice a lot in sound quality with one of these things and it will only get worse over time

[catho]

i would get anything BUT behringer. thye may seem like a good deal because they are so cheap, but that's exactly what they are: CHEAP. you will sacrifice a lot in sound quality with one of these things and it will only get worse over time

Experience? Or are you just talking out of your ass, which seems much more likely.

It's sad to see so many people "hating" Behringer (I hear about it quite a lot) only to find out that they have never owned a Behringer product but they heard that their DI boxes break and cause hiss. Not entirely unlike the Line 6 DL4 and its "constant breakage" rumor, the majority of users' DL4 will never break. Or BOSS's rumor of never breaking, when it sure as hell happens (though its more uncommon for BOSS than for Alesis hehe...)

[fatjack]

i would get anything BUT behringer. thye may seem like a good deal because they are so cheap, but that's exactly what they are: CHEAP. you will sacrifice a lot in sound quality with one of these things and it will only get worse over time

Experience? Or are you just talking out of your ass, which seems much more likely.

It's sad to see so many people "hating" Behringer (I hear about it quite a lot) only to find out that they have never owned a Behringer product but they heard that their DI boxes break and cause hiss. Not entirely unlike the Line 6 DL4 and its "constant breakage" rumor, the majority of users' DL4 will never break. Or BOSS's rumor of never breaking, when it sure as hell happens (though its more uncommon for BOSS than for Alesis hehe...)

the only one talking out of your ass is you.

i've worked with these mixers numerous times, and they ALL sound like crap.

looks like you just wasted a post ranting on something i didn't even say

[catho]

i would get anything BUT behringer. thye may seem like a good deal because they are so cheap, but that's exactly what they are: CHEAP. you will sacrifice a lot in sound quality with one of these things and it will only get worse over time

Experience? Or are you just talking out of your ass, which seems much more likely.

It's sad to see so many people "hating" Behringer (I hear about it quite a lot) only to find out that they have never owned a Behringer product but they heard that their DI boxes break and cause hiss. Not entirely unlike the Line 6 DL4 and its "constant breakage" rumor, the majority of users' DL4 will never break. Or BOSS's rumor of never breaking, when it sure as hell happens (though its more uncommon for BOSS than for Alesis hehe...)

the only one talking out of your ass is you.

i've worked with these mixers numerous times, and they ALL sound like crap.

looks like you just wasted a post ranting on something i didn't even say

You can't just go around saying shit without backing it up! Shit, when you say they suck you have to have at least some fucking evidence. Maybe along the lines of: "I tried one of them in a store and they really sounded bad." or "I've owned one and it caused to much distortion."

You idiot, you just went "It sucks and its cheap."

And yeah, I'm just a noob so I can't call you an idiot but fuck that logic. In this case you, my good sir, are an idiot.

[fatjack]

i would get anything BUT behringer. thye may seem like a good deal because they are so cheap, but that's exactly what they are: CHEAP. you will sacrifice a lot in sound quality with one of these things and it will only get worse over time

Experience? Or are you just talking out of your ass, which seems much more likely.

It's sad to see so many people "hating" Behringer (I hear about it quite a lot) only to find out that they have never owned a Behringer product but they heard that their DI boxes break and cause hiss. Not entirely unlike the Line 6 DL4 and its "constant breakage" rumor, the majority of users' DL4 will never break. Or BOSS's rumor of never breaking, when it sure as hell happens (though its more uncommon for BOSS than for Alesis hehe...)

the only one talking out of your ass is you.

i've worked with these mixers numerous times, and they ALL sound like crap.

looks like you just wasted a post ranting on something i didn't even say

You can't just go around saying shit without backing it up! Shit, when you say they suck you have to have at least some fucking evidence. Maybe along the lines of: "I tried one of them in a store and they really sounded bad." or "I've owned one and it caused to much distortion."

You idiot, you just went "It sucks and its cheap."

And yeah, I'm just a noob so I can't call you an idiot but fuck that logic. In this case you, my good sir, are an idiot.

sorry i didn't adhere to "catho's guidelines to proper messageboard posting"

and SHOULD i have to give a reason? hello... a mixer for 50 bucks?? common sense should tell you that a 50 dollar mixer is going to sound like ass

[catho]

i would get anything BUT behringer. thye may seem like a good deal because they are so cheap, but that's exactly what they are: CHEAP. you will sacrifice a lot in sound quality with one of these things and it will only get worse over time

Experience? Or are you just talking out of your ass, which seems much more likely.

It's sad to see so many people "hating" Behringer (I hear about it quite a lot) only to find out that they have never owned a Behringer product but they heard that their DI boxes break and cause hiss. Not entirely unlike the Line 6 DL4 and its "constant breakage" rumor, the majority of users' DL4 will never break. Or BOSS's rumor of never breaking, when it sure as hell happens (though its more uncommon for BOSS than for Alesis hehe...)

the only one talking out of your ass is you.

i've worked with these mixers numerous times, and they ALL sound like crap.

looks like you just wasted a post ranting on something i didn't even say

You can't just go around saying shit without backing it up! Shit, when you say they suck you have to have at least some fucking evidence. Maybe along the lines of: "I tried one of them in a store and they really sounded bad." or "I've owned one and it caused to much distortion."

You idiot, you just went "It sucks and its cheap."

And yeah, I'm just a noob so I can't call you an idiot but fuck that logic. In this case you, my good sir, are an idiot.

sorry i didn't adhere to "catho's guidelines to proper messageboard posting"

and SHOULD i have to give a reason? hello... a mixer for 50 bucks?? common sense should tell you that a 50 dollar mixer is going to sound like ass

How about mankind's guidelines to commonsense?

That's the kind of stupid logic that comes from one's ass. A mixer isn't a very costy process to build, depending on features of course. Ok, first of all, we don't know the profitmargin that Behringer and Tascam have per unit sold, but I would imagine that Behringer makes less per unit but in general sell more.

This is why they can be cheap and still good:

1# They are probably made by asian children.
2# They sell huge quantities
3# The higher you go in price the less more features you get. Quality costs more and more the higher you go, therefore the best mixer in the world might cost 50:1 or something but will only be 10:1 better than the Behringers.

Color-coded for your convienience [/b]

[fatjack]

This is why they can be cheap and still good:

1# They are probably made by asian children.
2# They sell huge quantities
3# The higher you go in price the less more features you get. Quality costs more and more the higher you go, therefore the best mixer in the world might cost 50:1 or something but will only be 10:1 better than the Behringers. [/color]

Color-coded for your convienience [/b]

which is it? less or more? somebody forgot to take their intro to economics class...

Behringer is able to sell for so little because they use inferior parts. Do you really think any company is going to keep their prices low simply because they can sell a lot of units? No. Selling more units garners them even more profit, not the same amount of profit they would have if they were to make a quality product for more money.

It's a pretty genious business strategy: sucker ignorant cosumers into buy mass quantities of their product just because it's inexpensive. There are some markets where the range of price isn't necessarily directly related to range of quality, but technology is not one of those markets.

Just open up a Behringer mixer and a Peavey mixer side by side. Your faulty logic may deceive you, but your eyes won't.

[Kahn]

Boooo Catho

[Coldchillin]

There are some markets where the range of price isn't necessarily directly related to range of quality, but technology is not one of those markets.