My Double Bass Recording!

[MahlerGrooves]

well, thank you

[thejoe]

why are they so expensive? 35,000 dollars...you could buy a car with that...1.5 million dollars could buy you a house....i mean...i dont mean to dash the beauty/craftsmanship...but i think 35,000 is a bit much unless its encripted with expensive jewels...whats the deal with this expensiveness....

also, at what point do you make this jump to such an expensive instrument? it seems like you basically have to start out on a multi-thousand dollar investment...whereas guitar you can start for like 200 bucks...comment?

think of how much an almost 400 year old gutiar would cost.. and sound (hypothetical)
they were probably made better back then anyway (the classical instruments, i mean)

[MahlerGrooves]

why are they so expensive? 35,000 dollars...you could buy a car with that...1.5 million dollars could buy you a house....i mean...i dont mean to dash the beauty/craftsmanship...but i think 35,000 is a bit much unless its encripted with expensive jewels...whats the deal with this expensiveness....

also, at what point do you make this jump to such an expensive instrument? it seems like you basically have to start out on a multi-thousand dollar investment...whereas guitar you can start for like 200 bucks...comment?

think of how much an almost 400 year old gutiar would cost.. and sound (hypothetical)
they were probably made better back then anyway (the classical instruments, i mean)

Precisely! The wood was all hand carved on my instrument. A handmade guitar TODAY is like $6,000.

[thejoe]

just too look at really old classical instruments is cool
but to hear them played well would be awesome

it would be crazy to see how much $ in instruments a typical orchestra has

by the way, whats the difference betweeen an orchestra and a symphony?
does one have a horn section and one does not?

[Brock]

A symphony is the actual music, not the orchestra.

[thejoe]

oh yeah
iwas confused

[i-am-me]

god damn. that was really good. i love listening to this kind of thing. i miss band....

[MahlerGrooves]

just too look at really old classical instruments is cool
but to hear them played well would be awesome

it would be crazy to see how much $ in instruments a typical orchestra has

by the way, whats the difference betweeen an orchestra and a symphony?
does one have a horn section and one does not?

There was an article in "The Orchestra" which is a classical music journal that had those figures. It isn't online as it was a 2000 article, but I have it.

NY Philharmonic: $45 million

Philadelphia Orchestra: 40.25 mil

MET Opera: $80 million (they have 2 full orchestras plus 50 substitutes)

Boston: $ 44 mill

Cleveland: $39 mill

Chicago: $ 41 million

Most of the money is in the string instruments (average value in NY Phil is 400 grand), but the wonds rack it up too (Stanly Drucker, the principal Clarinet of the NY Phil, has 12 clarinets, totaling $60,000). The average symphony orchestra now has 40-50 violins, 15-25 violas, 12-18 cellos, 10 basses, 4 clarinets, 3 flutes, 3 oboes, 3 bassoons, 4 trumpets, 6 horns, 4 trombones, 1 tuba, 1 harp, and 1 piano. All told, it is about 120 players plus subs.

[dmbguitar718]

wow, someone with actual musical talent

you are really trapped in this whole "i can only have respect for people who know everything about music etc. i cannot respect the passion and drive that someone has for the instrument. it's all in the knowledge."

kinda closed minded, josh. (imo.)

[fatjack]

wow, someone with actual musical talent

you are really trapped in this whole "i can only have respect for people who know everything about music etc. i cannot respect the passion and drive that someone has for the instrument. it's all in the knowledge."

kinda closed minded, josh. (imo.)

not really, this has nothing to do with knowledge, and everything to do with skill. in fact, most of my classmates that play classical instruments are pretty damn stupid when it comes to theory and general musical knowledge, but they are still really good at playing.

i admire the amount of practice it takes to play an instrument like the cello, much more than it takes to play guitar or piano. it takes SO much more work to become proficient at cello than it does guitar. thats the point i was trying to make. NOT ONCE did i mention repecting classical musicians because of their knowledge

[dmbguitar718]

wow, someone with actual musical talent

you are really trapped in this whole "i can only have respect for people who know everything about music etc. i cannot respect the passion and drive that someone has for the instrument. it's all in the knowledge."

kinda closed minded, josh. (imo.)

not really, this has nothing to do with knowledge, and everything to do with skill. in fact, most of my classmates that play classical instruments are pretty damn stupid when it comes to theory and general musical knowledge, but they are still really good at playing.

i admire the amount of practice it takes to play an instrument like the cello, much more than it takes to play guitar or piano. it takes SO much more work to become proficient at cello than it does guitar. thats the point i was trying to make. NOT ONCE did i mention repecting classical musicians because of their knowledge

well, im saying when you said "someone with actual musical talent," you're putting down the countless people on this board that really admire playing and learning the instrument. you make them feel as if you have to know everything. you can have fun without knowing. hell, look at me, i know the basics and i have a ton of fun each day messing around with the guitar.

i don't know. i think you may need to be a little more open to people that know less than others.

[i am sam2]

i have a couple questions. first, fatjack...have you ever played cello/double bass/any classical instrument? if so, then i certainly believe your claim that it takes more work, if not, im not sure how you know.

second, mainly to mahler cuz he does play double bass...what is there that you might say "takes more work" as fatjack put it? other than dealing with the lack of frets? excuse me for my ignorance but how much more is there than reading the music on the sheet? im not trying to bash your skill or work, i am just stating what i have observed from having no experience at all at it and i am curious as to what the "insider" can add to it?

[fatjack]

i have a couple questions. first, fatjack...have you ever played cello/double bass/any classical instrument? if so, then i certainly believe your claim that it takes more work, if not, im not sure how you know.

second, mainly to mahler cuz he does play double bass...what is there that you might say "takes more work" as fatjack put it? other than dealing with the lack of frets? excuse me for my ignorance but how much more is there than reading the music on the sheet? im not trying to bash your skill or work, i am just stating what i have observed from having no experience at all at it and i am curious as to what the "insider" can add to it?

yes i have tried to play cello and violin before, it is very difficult

this "lack of frets" problem is not just something you can get a handle on easily, especially if you are used to having frets. unless you have actually tried instruments that require the player to control intonation, then it might be hard for me to explain how difficult it is.

with a guitar all you have to do is tune the string correctly and then press down behind the fret. and there you go, there's your note. but with a cello, you have to make sure the string is tuned properly (which is more difficult to do with instruments in the violin family, AND you have to press your finger in the EXACT spot, without the use of any kind of markings

and lets not forget getting proper technique with a bow, MUCH more difficult to do than just strum or pick

and then there's the fact that the guitar is just a comfortable instrument to play. think about it: your neck bent to the side with a violin or viola, or a massive cello or double bass: these aren't exactly easy instruments to wield

[fatjack]

wow, someone with actual musical talent

you are really trapped in this whole "i can only have respect for people who know everything about music etc. i cannot respect the passion and drive that someone has for the instrument. it's all in the knowledge."

kinda closed minded, josh. (imo.)

not really, this has nothing to do with knowledge, and everything to do with skill. in fact, most of my classmates that play classical instruments are pretty damn stupid when it comes to theory and general musical knowledge, but they are still really good at playing.

i admire the amount of practice it takes to play an instrument like the cello, much more than it takes to play guitar or piano. it takes SO much more work to become proficient at cello than it does guitar. thats the point i was trying to make. NOT ONCE did i mention repecting classical musicians because of their knowledge

well, im saying when you said "someone with actual musical talent," you're putting down the countless people on this board that really admire playing and learning the instrument. you make them feel as if you have to know everything. you can have fun without knowing. hell, look at me, i know the basics and i have a ton of fun each day messing around with the guitar.

i don't know. i think you may need to be a little more open to people that know less than others.

once again... i never said ANYTHING about knowledge, i was talking only about playing technique

and using the phrase "actual talent" was once again one of my many uses of hyperbole. i'm not saying no one else here has talent, just onec again giving props to mahler

[dmbguitar718]

alrighty, i gotcha.

who is that in your avatar?