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Unread post by SockCymbal » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:02 pm

Beauford33 wrote:Okay, all I heard in that responce was excuse after excuse after excuse. Way to go. And yes, I do noticed it was not in standard 4/4 time, but the changes should not be so rigid. Listen to some of the greats. Weckl, Elvin Jones, Roy Haynes, etc. They all have a "format". I have heard them talk about it. They have sadi so in interviews. I recently bought an Elvin Jones DVD. He explains how he comes up with a solo. He starts off with a basic rudiment and builds off of it. So when you say "there is no format for solo's" you do not know what you are saying.


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why should i care what someone else's opinion on soloing is? wow...so someone said that "this is how i solo..." so that must be the right way. starting from rudiments happens to be a COMMON theme, but that in no way makes it the "format." my studio solo i recorded does in fact start out with simple rudiments on the snare, and that builds to rudiments on the double bass, and so on.

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Unread post by fatjack » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:09 pm

SockCymbal wrote: another thing...about tempo/time....when playing a drum solo, personally, i do not like to keep a simple 8th or 16th note or whatever beat on the high hat just to keep time. that is really really boring and simpleminded. when soloing, you aren't playing a song. but that doesn't mean you time can be erratic. as many times as ive listed to this live solo, i always knew where 1 was. where in the rules does it say you cannot speed up or slow down? as long as you do so tastefully, its fine. there is not a "format" for playing soloes...and that goes for any instrument.
regardless if whether or not you use the hi-hat to keep the tempo, you should STAY on the tempo, which you didn't in that solo. you would play a section at one speed, and then change to another speed. its like you were soloing to several sections of a different songs, which, regardless of how free-form it is, shouldn't happen

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Unread post by Beauford33 » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:24 pm

SockCymbal wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:Okay, all I heard in that responce was excuse after excuse after excuse. Way to go. And yes, I do noticed it was not in standard 4/4 time, but the changes should not be so rigid. Listen to some of the greats. Weckl, Elvin Jones, Roy Haynes, etc. They all have a "format". I have heard them talk about it. They have sadi so in interviews. I recently bought an Elvin Jones DVD. He explains how he comes up with a solo. He starts off with a basic rudiment and builds off of it. So when you say "there is no format for solo's" you do not know what you are saying.


btw, did you win?
why should i care what someone else's opinion on soloing is? wow...so someone said that "this is how i solo..." so that must be the right way. starting from rudiments happens to be a COMMON theme, but that in no way makes it the "format." my studio solo i recorded does in fact start out with simple rudiments on the snare, and that builds to rudiments on the double bass, and so on.
So by never getting another opinion on this matter, you are suggesting that whatever you do is the right way. Why did you post this if you are not willing to get feedback...other then "wow, youre awsome". Even so, if You have better (this alleged studio solo), then didnt you post this?

btw, Id listen to fatjack. He is the best musician on here.
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Unread post by fatjack » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:25 pm

Beauford33 wrote:btw, Id listen to fatjack. He is the best musician on here.
no matter how much you wanted it BK, im not gonna blow you

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Unread post by Beauford33 » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:27 pm

fatjack wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:btw, Id listen to fatjack. He is the best musician on here.
no matter how much you wanted it BK, im not gonna blow you
goddamnit...just once. Please.


For real, you seem the most musically knowledgable(sp) around here...other then me :wink:
-BK

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Unread post by seanbryantkbq » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:30 pm

fat jack, did u teach yourself?
don't kid yourself and don't fool yourself
this love's too good to last and i'm too old to dream

don't grow up too fast don't embrace the past
this life's too good to last and i'm too young to care

don't kid yourself and don't fool yourself
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Unread post by fatjack » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:31 pm

seanbryantkbq wrote:fat jack, did u teach yourself?
no, i was injected with with nanomachines by german scientists who are planning on using me for world domination

actually, yes and no, a little bit of both

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Unread post by Beauford33 » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:32 pm

fatjack wrote:
seanbryantkbq wrote:fat jack, did u teach yourself?
no, i was injected with with nanomachines by german scientists who are planning on using me for world domination
you too?
-BK

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Unread post by SockCymbal » Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:59 pm

fatjack wrote:
SockCymbal wrote: another thing...about tempo/time....when playing a drum solo, personally, i do not like to keep a simple 8th or 16th note or whatever beat on the high hat just to keep time. that is really really boring and simpleminded. when soloing, you aren't playing a song. but that doesn't mean you time can be erratic. as many times as ive listed to this live solo, i always knew where 1 was. where in the rules does it say you cannot speed up or slow down? as long as you do so tastefully, its fine. there is not a "format" for playing soloes...and that goes for any instrument.
regardless if whether or not you use the hi-hat to keep the tempo, you should STAY on the tempo, which you didn't in that solo. you would play a section at one speed, and then change to another speed. its like you were soloing to several sections of a different songs, which, regardless of how free-form it is, shouldn't happen
you're right...one should always maintain tempo, and STAY IN TIME. i always stayed in time....no i didnt maintain the same tempo.

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Unread post by Beauford33 » Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:01 pm

SockCymbal wrote:
fatjack wrote:
SockCymbal wrote: another thing...about tempo/time....when playing a drum solo, personally, i do not like to keep a simple 8th or 16th note or whatever beat on the high hat just to keep time. that is really really boring and simpleminded. when soloing, you aren't playing a song. but that doesn't mean you time can be erratic. as many times as ive listed to this live solo, i always knew where 1 was. where in the rules does it say you cannot speed up or slow down? as long as you do so tastefully, its fine. there is not a "format" for playing soloes...and that goes for any instrument.
regardless if whether or not you use the hi-hat to keep the tempo, you should STAY on the tempo, which you didn't in that solo. you would play a section at one speed, and then change to another speed. its like you were soloing to several sections of a different songs, which, regardless of how free-form it is, shouldn't happen
you're right...one should always maintain tempo, and STAY IN TIME. i always stayed in time....no i didnt maintain the same tempo.
Unless you are doing extreme time signature changes, the eigth note maintains. Whether its 12/8, or 4/4, the eigth note stays the same. If the eigth note stays the same...tghe tempo should not change.
-BK

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Unread post by fatjack » Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:55 pm

SockCymbal wrote:
fatjack wrote:
SockCymbal wrote: another thing...about tempo/time....when playing a drum solo, personally, i do not like to keep a simple 8th or 16th note or whatever beat on the high hat just to keep time. that is really really boring and simpleminded. when soloing, you aren't playing a song. but that doesn't mean you time can be erratic. as many times as ive listed to this live solo, i always knew where 1 was. where in the rules does it say you cannot speed up or slow down? as long as you do so tastefully, its fine. there is not a "format" for playing soloes...and that goes for any instrument.
regardless if whether or not you use the hi-hat to keep the tempo, you should STAY on the tempo, which you didn't in that solo. you would play a section at one speed, and then change to another speed. its like you were soloing to several sections of a different songs, which, regardless of how free-form it is, shouldn't happen
you're right...one should always maintain tempo, and STAY IN TIME. i always stayed in time....no i didnt maintain the same tempo.
you can try to defend it all you want, but there was just nothing cohesive about the solo, sorry

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