The official help praisedave learn phunkified thread.

[mangold]

And Beau, great suggestion with neon. That song is light years easier than anything Justin King does, but I think it'll show Andy that he's not where he needs to be. It's still insanely difficult if you're not where you need to be with technique.

im tryin to learn it, but im havin trouble because i dont have room for squares, so all i have to work with is 30 second clips from real.com sigh

[HCHaikuWarrior]

And Beau, great suggestion with neon. That song is light years easier than anything Justin King does, but I think it'll show Andy that he's not where he needs to be. It's still insanely difficult if you're not where you need to be with technique.

im tryin to learn it, but im havin trouble because i dont have room for squares, so all i have to work with is 30 second clips from real.com sigh

dude pm me...i have a mayer acoustic version A+ quality...i'll aim it to you...davy2step

[mbgreen]

I'm gonna give the same advice as MWR...you need to walk first man. It's great that you're trying to better yourself, but this isn't the song to do it. When you can play something like Classical Gas perfectly, without any hangups then you might begin to start thinking about this song. There's a lot out there in between where you're at (I've listened to a cover or two) and Justin King. Work up to it.

i agree, but classical gas is a completely different style, one that i am not particularly interested in... if anybody has some easier slap pop stuff for guitar, please pass it my way! im about | | this close to gettin slap pop bass tabs and workin on learnin them on the guitar. being able to play this song is not as important to me as being able to play slap/pop.

See, that's the whole point...you don't get it. You can't just step up to this technique. The other guy said he's been doing it a year! And it's not close to perfect! There is a lot of cross-over in something like classical gas to what Justin King does. Yes, you're adding in some slapping and popping, but the finger speed needed to play classical gas gives a much better foundation that what you've got now. You're trying to read War and Peace without being able to read Go Dog Go first.

well, i can sorta play classical gas, but its with a pick, so thats not really helpin me.

you guys are gonna yell at me and tell me im not listening but i am...
i dont see how learning to fingerpick is going to help me with the slap/pop. both techniques encourage and practice right hand fingerspeed. and i dont even have to learn this song. i just want to get good at slap pop and i cannot see how practicing these fingerpicking songs is going to get me there. you can say that finger picking is a better foundation for the slap/pop, and it may be, but if some new guy came to the boards and his first and only post was asking how to slap/pop, i would be surprised if people told him to learn to fingerpick. and this is probably my fault, i led you guys in the wrong direction by saying that i wanted to learn phunkified, because that song DOES require tremendous fingerpicking skill.

i dont want to argue i just want help... and you telling me that i cant do it , i should go learn something else that doesnt interest me, is not help.

Seriously. Do you know how much finger picking Justin King does in the video? It's not all slapping...and I know from hearing your covers you are nowhere near ready to play anything like that.

EDIT: We ARE helping you. We've given you a path to follow to get where you want to be. You just don't want to believe that it's not something you can just pick up and learn over the course of a couple months. You have to open your eyes here man. The fact that you say you don't see how fingerpicking will help you alone shows your ass on this one.

did you even read my comment? i know that the song has lots of fingerpicking in it. but im not interested in that section of the song... and i dont see how me not understanding something makes me an ass...
there is no finger picking in the slap pop section of the song... every note is either a slap, pop, or a twelth fret harmonic, and as i said, thats the only part of the song im interested in.

I'm not all that interested in running several miles a day, and superficially, running has nothing to do with flying a fixed wing jet aircraft, which is my ultimate goal. Except for the fact that the endurance and strengthening of my heart and lungs may help me not pass out when I'm in a multiple-G dive someday. Get it? You're seeing the finished picture, and not how the pieces fit together. Just because something isn't exactly your end goal doesn't mean that it won't help you get there, and get there quicker.

I still think you don't have the slightest clue as to how to go about this, but proceed as you wish.

I just wanted to post to clarify that I didn't call you an ass. I said you were showing your ass. Meaning looking like you don't know what you're doing.

[MWR]

This is why all your threads end up to be way longer than they need to be. Because you keep reasking or tweeking the question to get the advice YOU want and you write off the rest.
For instance:

I'm gonna give the same advice as MWR...you need to walk first man. It's great that you're trying to better yourself, but this isn't the song to do it. When you can play something like Classical Gas perfectly, without any hangups then you might begin to start thinking about this song. There's a lot out there in between where you're at (I've listened to a cover or two) and Justin King. Work up to it.

i agree, but classical gas is a completely different style, one that i am not particularly interested in... if anybody has some easier slap pop stuff for guitar, please pass it my way! im about | | this close to gettin slap pop bass tabs and workin on learnin them on the guitar. being able to play this song is not as important to me as being able to play slap/pop.

At what point were you actually agreeing? Then all of sudden your thread becomes "help me learn a random slap/pop riff".
I know you mean well but you're by far the most frustrating person to help. You don't listen half the time (refer back to my second post).

[Tranman66]

i have to agree with everyone so far that the fingerpicking and the rhythm is a giant step to take right now. You have to really really got down the fingerpicking first. Fingerpicking is not just 1 2 3. its playing with a style a pick can't do. I suggest you work on john mayer stuff first. get the muting and rhythm down. ::Classical gas is an amazing song!::

[Ryeguy]

i have to agree with everyone so far that the fingerpicking and the rhythm is a giant step to take right now. You have to really really got down the fingerpicking first. Fingerpicking is not just 1 2 3. its playing with a style a pick can't do. I suggest you work on john mayer stuff first. get the muting and rhythm down. ::Classical gas is an amazing song!::

You can fingerpick and use a pick at the same time. Fingerpicking is not exclusive to just fingers only. But, I have to say fingerpicking is a lot more versatile then flatpicking (IMO). Just concentrate on learning basic fingerpicking first, because it will lay down that foundation you need for other complex hand techniques. I think its correct to say that "fingerpicking" encompases many things, such as that snap..crackle..pop whatever the fuck yah call it. Anyways, just learn fingerpicking first. Baby steps.

[Beauford33]

And Beau, great suggestion with neon. That song is light years easier than anything Justin King does, but I think it'll show Andy that he's not where he needs to be. It's still insanely difficult if you're not where you need to be with technique.

im tryin to learn it, but im havin trouble because i dont have room for squares, so all i have to work with is 30 second clips from real.com sigh

Yea, go to jmtabs.com and download the video plus get the Inside Wants Out versio of neon. The tab alone is not what the final product should sound like.


For Godsakes just listen to people! We have all heard your covers/originals and we "know" where you are in your guitar playing...whether you want to except it or not. Besides, what good is a song if you only know half of it?
"Hey, I can play half a song. Wanna hear?"
"okay, but let me know when you got the whole thing down cause Ive never heard of a good musician that can only play half a song"

Get over yourself.

[mangold]

christ i give up.

you are all right in every goddamn fucking way.

how the hell should i know what i want to learn.

the truth is i mis-titled the post and that threw everybody off. it should have been helo praisedave learn slap/pop. but, phunkified is the only slap/pop ive heard played on guitar, so i figured they were one in the same as long as i specified that i wanted to learn mostly the slap/pop part.

if it is possible, and it may not be, i would like to change the direction of this thread to "help me learn to slap pop" im sorry i caused the confusion.

[mangold]

This is why all your threads end up to be way longer than they need to be. Because you keep reasking or tweeking the question to get the advice YOU want and you write off the rest.
For instance:

I'm gonna give the same advice as MWR...you need to walk first man. It's great that you're trying to better yourself, but this isn't the song to do it. When you can play something like Classical Gas perfectly, without any hangups then you might begin to start thinking about this song. There's a lot out there in between where you're at (I've listened to a cover or two) and Justin King. Work up to it.

i agree, but classical gas is a completely different style, one that i am not particularly interested in... if anybody has some easier slap pop stuff for guitar, please pass it my way! im about | | this close to gettin slap pop bass tabs and workin on learnin them on the guitar. being able to play this song is not as important to me as being able to play slap/pop.

At what point were you actually agreeing? Then all of sudden your thread becomes "help me learn a random slap/pop riff".
I know you mean well but you're by far the most frustrating person to help. You don't listen half the time (refer back to my second post).

i agreed with his saying that there was alot of ground inbetween my flatpicking songs and justin king. i did mis-title the thread and im sorry. i changed the direction of my questions because after listening to what everybody said i realized that the entire song was too much to tackle, so i decided to focus on the part that i was most interested in, the slap/pop part. im sorry for the confusion.

[Swe dmbfan]

you are a funny guy Andy

[mangold]

I'm gonna give the same advice as MWR...you need to walk first man. It's great that you're trying to better yourself, but this isn't the song to do it. When you can play something like Classical Gas perfectly, without any hangups then you might begin to start thinking about this song. There's a lot out there in between where you're at (I've listened to a cover or two) and Justin King. Work up to it.

i agree, but classical gas is a completely different style, one that i am not particularly interested in... if anybody has some easier slap pop stuff for guitar, please pass it my way! im about | | this close to gettin slap pop bass tabs and workin on learnin them on the guitar. being able to play this song is not as important to me as being able to play slap/pop.

See, that's the whole point...you don't get it. You can't just step up to this technique. The other guy said he's been doing it a year! And it's not close to perfect! There is a lot of cross-over in something like classical gas to what Justin King does. Yes, you're adding in some slapping and popping, but the finger speed needed to play classical gas gives a much better foundation that what you've got now. You're trying to read War and Peace without being able to read Go Dog Go first.

well, i can sorta play classical gas, but its with a pick, so thats not really helpin me.

you guys are gonna yell at me and tell me im not listening but i am...
i dont see how learning to fingerpick is going to help me with the slap/pop. both techniques encourage and practice right hand fingerspeed. and i dont even have to learn this song. i just want to get good at slap pop and i cannot see how practicing these fingerpicking songs is going to get me there. you can say that finger picking is a better foundation for the slap/pop, and it may be, but if some new guy came to the boards and his first and only post was asking how to slap/pop, i would be surprised if people told him to learn to fingerpick. and this is probably my fault, i led you guys in the wrong direction by saying that i wanted to learn phunkified, because that song DOES require tremendous fingerpicking skill.

i dont want to argue i just want help... and you telling me that i cant do it , i should go learn something else that doesnt interest me, is not help.

Seriously. Do you know how much finger picking Justin King does in the video? It's not all slapping...and I know from hearing your covers you are nowhere near ready to play anything like that.

EDIT: We ARE helping you. We've given you a path to follow to get where you want to be. You just don't want to believe that it's not something you can just pick up and learn over the course of a couple months. You have to open your eyes here man. The fact that you say you don't see how fingerpicking will help you alone shows your ass on this one.

did you even read my comment? i know that the song has lots of fingerpicking in it. but im not interested in that section of the song... and i dont see how me not understanding something makes me an ass...
there is no finger picking in the slap pop section of the song... every note is either a slap, pop, or a twelth fret harmonic, and as i said, thats the only part of the song im interested in.

I'm not all that interested in running several miles a day, and superficially, running has nothing to do with flying a fixed wing jet aircraft, which is my ultimate goal. Except for the fact that the endurance and strengthening of my heart and lungs may help me not pass out when I'm in a multiple-G dive someday. Get it? You're seeing the finished picture, and not how the pieces fit together. Just because something isn't exactly your end goal doesn't mean that it won't help you get there, and get there quicker.

I still think you don't have the slightest clue as to how to go about this, but proceed as you wish.

I just wanted to post to clarify that I didn't call you an ass. I said you were showing your ass. Meaning looking like you don't know what you're doing.

okay, the analogy, while probably apt (i dont know the first thing about airplanes) doesnt really help me, it just says in a different way that i need to know fingerpicking to play slap/pop. i still dont understand why. this is probably my fault, but telling me over and over again that i need to know how to fingerpick doesnt explain why. i am a person that needs to know what techniques i will be able to transfer from fingerpicking to slap pop, and why those techniques cannot be learned from just teaching myself slap/pop. i am sorry im frustrating to help out, but the only advice ive gotten here so far is "learn fingerpicking" and "give up". the only person that gave me the kind of advice i was looking for was that guy with towelie as his av, i dont remember his name.

[mangold]

you are a funny guy Andy

[MWR]

I'm gonna give the same advice as MWR...you need to walk first man. It's great that you're trying to better yourself, but this isn't the song to do it. When you can play something like Classical Gas perfectly, without any hangups then you might begin to start thinking about this song. There's a lot out there in between where you're at (I've listened to a cover or two) and Justin King. Work up to it.

i agree, but classical gas is a completely different style, one that i am not particularly interested in... if anybody has some easier slap pop stuff for guitar, please pass it my way! im about | | this close to gettin slap pop bass tabs and workin on learnin them on the guitar. being able to play this song is not as important to me as being able to play slap/pop.

See, that's the whole point...you don't get it. You can't just step up to this technique. The other guy said he's been doing it a year! And it's not close to perfect! There is a lot of cross-over in something like classical gas to what Justin King does. Yes, you're adding in some slapping and popping, but the finger speed needed to play classical gas gives a much better foundation that what you've got now. You're trying to read War and Peace without being able to read Go Dog Go first.

well, i can sorta play classical gas, but its with a pick, so thats not really helpin me.

you guys are gonna yell at me and tell me im not listening but i am...
i dont see how learning to fingerpick is going to help me with the slap/pop. both techniques encourage and practice right hand fingerspeed. and i dont even have to learn this song. i just want to get good at slap pop and i cannot see how practicing these fingerpicking songs is going to get me there. you can say that finger picking is a better foundation for the slap/pop, and it may be, but if some new guy came to the boards and his first and only post was asking how to slap/pop, i would be surprised if people told him to learn to fingerpick. and this is probably my fault, i led you guys in the wrong direction by saying that i wanted to learn phunkified, because that song DOES require tremendous fingerpicking skill.

i dont want to argue i just want help... and you telling me that i cant do it , i should go learn something else that doesnt interest me, is not help.

Seriously. Do you know how much finger picking Justin King does in the video? It's not all slapping...and I know from hearing your covers you are nowhere near ready to play anything like that.

EDIT: We ARE helping you. We've given you a path to follow to get where you want to be. You just don't want to believe that it's not something you can just pick up and learn over the course of a couple months. You have to open your eyes here man. The fact that you say you don't see how fingerpicking will help you alone shows your ass on this one.

did you even read my comment? i know that the song has lots of fingerpicking in it. but im not interested in that section of the song... and i dont see how me not understanding something makes me an ass...
there is no finger picking in the slap pop section of the song... every note is either a slap, pop, or a twelth fret harmonic, and as i said, thats the only part of the song im interested in.

I'm not all that interested in running several miles a day, and superficially, running has nothing to do with flying a fixed wing jet aircraft, which is my ultimate goal. Except for the fact that the endurance and strengthening of my heart and lungs may help me not pass out when I'm in a multiple-G dive someday. Get it? You're seeing the finished picture, and not how the pieces fit together. Just because something isn't exactly your end goal doesn't mean that it won't help you get there, and get there quicker.

I still think you don't have the slightest clue as to how to go about this, but proceed as you wish.

I just wanted to post to clarify that I didn't call you an ass. I said you were showing your ass. Meaning looking like you don't know what you're doing.

okay, the analogy, while probably apt (i dont know the first thing about airplanes) doesnt really help me, it just says in a different way that i need to know fingerpicking to play slap/pop. i still dont understand why. this is probably my fault, but telling me over and over again that i need to know how to fingerpick doesnt explain why. i am a person that needs to know what techniques i will be able to transfer from fingerpicking to slap pop, and why those techniques cannot be learned from just teaching myself slap/pop. i am sorry im frustrating to help out, but the only advice ive gotten here so far is "learn fingerpicking" and "give up". the only person that gave me the kind of advice i was looking for was that guy with towelie as his av, i dont remember his name.

Say slap/pop again motherfucker...I dare ya! Say slap/pop again!!



First off I'm not looking for apologies just some humility.

Do you ever read about the guitar? Music? If you did you would know that the central concept is slow and in control. This not only applys to getting better it's also just about basic health and longevity.
The main thing that prevents people from getting better, particularly begginners, is excess tension. When you frist start to learn a new technique, chord, stretch, lick, whatever, the tension factor in your body/brain is at maximum . If you're practicing correctly the tension starts to subside, your comfort level increases, and your playing sounds better. If, however, you attempt something too difficult or too haphazardly the tension will lock itself in. Too much of this "locked in" tension will severely inhibit your ability to progress and will probably make you regress.
You have to remember that playing an instrument is a physical action. We are not all that different from athletes. If you tried to run a marathon and you hadn't yet conditioned yourself you could easily drop dead. Carpel tunnel isn't quite as bad but if you're passionate about making music it sure is close.
I know you're thinking "what does this have to do with slap/pop?" and to that I say shut the hell up and believe us when we say you should start on something more rudimentary. If you don't understand why I and everyone else thinks it's a bad place to start than I will assume you're mildly retarded and thus will not waste any more of my time.
I'm sorry if you don't understand it. Part of being a newb is trusting the advice you get from reputable and more experianced sources even if you don't understand it.

[Tranman66]

Say slap/pop again motherfucker...I dare ya! Say slap/pop again!!



First off I'm not looking for apologies just some humility.

Do you ever read about the guitar? Music? If you did you would know that the central concept is slow and in control. This not only applys to getting better it's also just about basic health and longevity.
The main thing that prevents people from getting better, particularly begginners, is excess tension. When you frist start to learn a new technique, chord, stretch, lick, whatever, the tension factor in your body/brain is at maximum . If you're practicing correctly the tension starts to subside, your comfort level increases, and your playing sounds better. If, however, you attempt something too difficult or too haphazardly the tension will lock itself in. Too much of this "locked in" tension will severely inhibit your ability to progress and will probably make you regress.
You have to remember that playing an instrument is a physical action. We are not all that different from athletes. If you tried to run a marathon and you hadn't yet conditioned yourself you could easily drop dead. Carpel tunnel isn't quite as bad but if you're passionate about making music it sure is close.
I know you're thinking "what does this have to do with slap/pop?" and to that I say shut the hell up and believe us when we say you should start on something more rudimentary. If you don't understand why I and everyone else thinks it's a bad place to start than I will assume you're mildly retarded and thus will not waste any more of my time.
I'm sorry if you don't understand it. Part of being a newb is trusting the advice you get from reputable and more experianced sources even if you don't understand it.

Mike knows what hes talking about.

[hcole]

Another reason you should learn to fingerpick is, what the hell are are you gonna do other than slap/pop? You need to be able to fill out the rest of a song with something other than slappin the shit out of your guitar. If all you learn to do is slap then you'll be some one trick pony that is entertaining at first but doesn't have anything of substance to hold people's attention.