The official help praisedave learn phunkified thread.

[mbgreen]

I'm gonna give the same advice as MWR...you need to walk first man. It's great that you're trying to better yourself, but this isn't the song to do it. When you can play something like Classical Gas perfectly, without any hangups then you might begin to start thinking about this song. There's a lot out there in between where you're at (I've listened to a cover or two) and Justin King. Work up to it.

[mangold]

I'm gonna give the same advice as MWR...you need to walk first man. It's great that you're trying to better yourself, but this isn't the song to do it. When you can play something like Classical Gas perfectly, without any hangups then you might begin to start thinking about this song. There's a lot out there in between where you're at (I've listened to a cover or two) and Justin King. Work up to it.

i agree, but classical gas is a completely different style, one that i am not particularly interested in... if anybody has some easier slap pop stuff for guitar, please pass it my way! im about | | this close to gettin slap pop bass tabs and workin on learnin them on the guitar. being able to play this song is not as important to me as being able to play slap/pop.

[mbgreen]

I'm gonna give the same advice as MWR...you need to walk first man. It's great that you're trying to better yourself, but this isn't the song to do it. When you can play something like Classical Gas perfectly, without any hangups then you might begin to start thinking about this song. There's a lot out there in between where you're at (I've listened to a cover or two) and Justin King. Work up to it.

i agree, but classical gas is a completely different style, one that i am not particularly interested in... if anybody has some easier slap pop stuff for guitar, please pass it my way! im about | | this close to gettin slap pop bass tabs and workin on learnin them on the guitar. being able to play this song is not as important to me as being able to play slap/pop.

See, that's the whole point...you don't get it. You can't just step up to this technique. The other guy said he's been doing it a year! And it's not close to perfect! There is a lot of cross-over in something like classical gas to what Justin King does. Yes, you're adding in some slapping and popping, but the finger speed needed to play classical gas gives a much better foundation that what you've got now. You're trying to read War and Peace without being able to read Go Dog Go first.

[MWR]

I'm gonna give the same advice as MWR...you need to walk first man. It's great that you're trying to better yourself, but this isn't the song to do it. When you can play something like Classical Gas perfectly, without any hangups then you might begin to start thinking about this song. There's a lot out there in between where you're at (I've listened to a cover or two) and Justin King. Work up to it.

i agree, but classical gas is a completely different style, one that i am not particularly interested in... if anybody has some easier slap pop stuff for guitar, please pass it my way! im about | | this close to gettin slap pop bass tabs and workin on learnin them on the guitar. being able to play this song is not as important to me as being able to play slap/pop.

See, that's the whole point...you don't get it. You can't just step up to this technique. The other guy said he's been doing it a year! And it's not close to perfect! There is a lot of cross-over in something like classical gas to what Justin King does. Yes, you're adding in some slapping and popping, but the finger speed needed to play classical gas gives a much better foundation that what you've got now. You're trying to read War and Peace without being able to read Go Dog Go first.

Couldn't have put it any better.

If you're obsessed with slapping and popping than buy a cheap bass and bash away at it. But if you're serious about actually wanting to travel down this path I have other songs you should try first.

[sunglassesatnight]

Don't take this the wrong way, you aren't good enough. Learn to play in the style before stepping into something like Phunkdified. Your skills consist of (at least the way I see it) Dave Matthews and Dave Matthews. Dave might be one hell of a musician, but being able to play Dave's aggressive, percussive, rythm guitar does not inherently qualify you to play Justin King, or "slap/pop", or whatever the hell you care to call it. Here's how I'll help you: stop trying. Learn fingerpicking. You have to know how to fingerpick to "slap/pop." To go from flatpicking The Stone to Justin King, or anything even close to the sort, ain't going to happen. Thank you, have a nice day, learn the basics first.

[StarSlight]

For slapping and popping, you'd be much better off not anchoring any fingers on the guitar. Keep your picking hand as loose as possible. You want to almost bounce your thumb off the string, I get the best tone out of it when I slap real close to the fretboard. Then when you add in the pops on higher strings, you wanna get your finger under the string and snap up as quickly as possible.

When you're playing with a pick, and there's a section that calls for fast picking, you want to use as little pick as possible to get it through the string as efficiently as you can. It's the same thing with slapping and popping. You wanna strike the strings as quickly as possible, then get your fingers in position to do it again.

That's why it's important to not anchor on the fretboard. As soon as your thumb bounces back off the string after slapping, you want your index to popping under the higher string. Then when you're index is coming back up, you want the thumb to be going down again, if you're talking about rapid slap and pop passages. Having your picking hand floating over the strings will allow you to eventually get your right hand into a steady rhythm, which I think is very necessary since it's primarily a rhythmic technique.

I've been working on this little exercise, just kind of as a rhythmic fill or a little trick to throw in whenever I think it fits. And I'll make it fit all sorts of places when I get it up to speed. Wink.

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Common time, played in triplets. 1 tri - plet, 2 tri - plet, etc.
I'd recommend using normal fingerpicking until your right hand is comfortable with the pattern. When it is, slap the p's and pop the i's. If you'd rather not come back up and pick with your ring finger, skip coming back up to the low E and play the exercise as eigth notes. I think it sounds cooler that way, though, throwing in a regularly picked note in with the percussive ones.

All that said, however, you'd be much better off working on normal fingerpicking for a while. Seriously. Learn yourself some Dust In The Wind, Landslide, Freight Train, and why the hell not, Classical Gas first. Good luck all the same in whatever you choose to do, though.

[mangold]

I'm gonna give the same advice as MWR...you need to walk first man. It's great that you're trying to better yourself, but this isn't the song to do it. When you can play something like Classical Gas perfectly, without any hangups then you might begin to start thinking about this song. There's a lot out there in between where you're at (I've listened to a cover or two) and Justin King. Work up to it.

i agree, but classical gas is a completely different style, one that i am not particularly interested in... if anybody has some easier slap pop stuff for guitar, please pass it my way! im about | | this close to gettin slap pop bass tabs and workin on learnin them on the guitar. being able to play this song is not as important to me as being able to play slap/pop.

See, that's the whole point...you don't get it. You can't just step up to this technique. The other guy said he's been doing it a year! And it's not close to perfect! There is a lot of cross-over in something like classical gas to what Justin King does. Yes, you're adding in some slapping and popping, but the finger speed needed to play classical gas gives a much better foundation that what you've got now. You're trying to read War and Peace without being able to read Go Dog Go first.

well, i can sorta play classical gas, but its with a pick, so thats not really helpin me.

you guys are gonna yell at me and tell me im not listening but i am...
i dont see how learning to fingerpick is going to help me with the slap/pop. both techniques encourage and practice right hand fingerspeed. and i dont even have to learn this song. i just want to get good at slap pop and i cannot see how practicing these fingerpicking songs is going to get me there. you can say that finger picking is a better foundation for the slap/pop, and it may be, but if some new guy came to the boards and his first and only post was asking how to slap/pop, i would be surprised if people told him to learn to fingerpick. and this is probably my fault, i led you guys in the wrong direction by saying that i wanted to learn phunkified, because that song DOES require tremendous fingerpicking skill.

i dont want to argue i just want help... and you telling me that i cant do it , i should go learn something else that doesnt interest me, is not help.

[mangold]

For slapping and popping, you'd be much better off not anchoring any fingers on the guitar. Keep your picking hand as loose as possible. You want to almost bounce your thumb off the string, I get the best tone out of it when I slap real close to the fretboard. Then when you add in the pops on higher strings, you wanna get your finger under the string and snap up as quickly as possible.

When you're playing with a pick, and there's a section that calls for fast picking, you want to use as little pick as possible to get it through the string as efficiently as you can. It's the same thing with slapping and popping. You wanna strike the strings as quickly as possible, then get your fingers in position to do it again.

That's why it's important to not anchor on the fretboard. As soon as your thumb bounces back off the string after slapping, you want your index to popping under the higher string. Then when you're index is coming back up, you want the thumb to be going down again, if you're talking about rapid slap and pop passages. Having your picking hand floating over the strings will allow you to eventually get your right hand into a steady rhythm, which I think is very necessary since it's primarily a rhythmic technique.

I've been working on this little exercise, just kind of as a rhythmic fill or a little trick to throw in whenever I think it fits. And I'll make it fit all sorts of places when I get it up to speed. Wink.

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----7--------8--------9--------10---------------------------------------------
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-5-----5--6-----6--7-----7--8------8------------------------------------------
 p  i  m  p  i  m  p  i  m  p   i  m             

Common time, played in triplets. 1 tri - plet, 2 tri - plet, etc.
I'd recommend using normal fingerpicking until your right hand is comfortable with the pattern. When it is, slap the p's and pop the i's. If you'd rather not come back up and pick with your ring finger, skip coming back up to the low E and play the exercise as eigth notes. I think it sounds cooler that way, though, throwing in a regularly picked note in with the percussive ones.

All that said, however, you'd be much better off working on normal fingerpicking for a while. Seriously. Learn yourself some Dust In The Wind, Landslide, Freight Train, and why the hell not, Classical Gas first. Good luck all the same in whatever you choose to do, though.

this helps... thanks man

[mangold]

Don't take this the wrong way, you aren't good enough. Learn to play in the style before stepping into something like Phunkdified. Your skills consist of (at least the way I see it) Dave Matthews and Dave Matthews. Dave might be one hell of a musician, but being able to play Dave's aggressive, percussive, rythm guitar does not inherently qualify you to play Justin King, or "slap/pop", or whatever the hell you care to call it. Here's how I'll help you: stop trying. Learn fingerpicking. You have to know how to fingerpick to "slap/pop." To go from flatpicking The Stone to Justin King, or anything even close to the sort, ain't going to happen. Thank you, have a nice day, learn the basics first.

aww... but my guitar is in DADGAD!

[Beauford33]

From just reading this thread, and not knowing what this song is...have you ever tried playing neon. And I mean the right way with John's rythmic slapping and mutes? Might be a good place to start or just a small objective.

[mangold]

From just reading this thread, and not knowing what this song is...have you ever tried playing neon. And I mean the right way with John's rythmic slapping and mutes? Might be a good place to start or just a small objective.

ill check that out, thanks for the advice...

btw: http://www.justinking.com (click vids in bottom left and its the larrivee clip)

[mangold]

From just reading this thread, and not knowing what this song is...have you ever tried playing neon. And I mean the right way with John's rythmic slapping and mutes? Might be a good place to start or just a small objective.

ill check that out, thanks for the advice...

btw: http://www.justinking.com (click vids in bottom left and its the larrivee clip)

i think thats the first time ive said that to bk!

[mbgreen]

I'm gonna give the same advice as MWR...you need to walk first man. It's great that you're trying to better yourself, but this isn't the song to do it. When you can play something like Classical Gas perfectly, without any hangups then you might begin to start thinking about this song. There's a lot out there in between where you're at (I've listened to a cover or two) and Justin King. Work up to it.

i agree, but classical gas is a completely different style, one that i am not particularly interested in... if anybody has some easier slap pop stuff for guitar, please pass it my way! im about | | this close to gettin slap pop bass tabs and workin on learnin them on the guitar. being able to play this song is not as important to me as being able to play slap/pop.

See, that's the whole point...you don't get it. You can't just step up to this technique. The other guy said he's been doing it a year! And it's not close to perfect! There is a lot of cross-over in something like classical gas to what Justin King does. Yes, you're adding in some slapping and popping, but the finger speed needed to play classical gas gives a much better foundation that what you've got now. You're trying to read War and Peace without being able to read Go Dog Go first.

well, i can sorta play classical gas, but its with a pick, so thats not really helpin me.

you guys are gonna yell at me and tell me im not listening but i am...
i dont see how learning to fingerpick is going to help me with the slap/pop. both techniques encourage and practice right hand fingerspeed. and i dont even have to learn this song. i just want to get good at slap pop and i cannot see how practicing these fingerpicking songs is going to get me there. you can say that finger picking is a better foundation for the slap/pop, and it may be, but if some new guy came to the boards and his first and only post was asking how to slap/pop, i would be surprised if people told him to learn to fingerpick. and this is probably my fault, i led you guys in the wrong direction by saying that i wanted to learn phunkified, because that song DOES require tremendous fingerpicking skill.

i dont want to argue i just want help... and you telling me that i cant do it , i should go learn something else that doesnt interest me, is not help.

Seriously. Do you know how much finger picking Justin King does in the video? It's not all slapping...and I know from hearing your covers you are nowhere near ready to play anything like that.

EDIT: We ARE helping you. We've given you a path to follow to get where you want to be. You just don't want to believe that it's not something you can just pick up and learn over the course of a couple months. You have to open your eyes here man. The fact that you say you don't see how fingerpicking will help you alone shows your ass on this one.

[mbgreen]

And Beau, great suggestion with neon. That song is light years easier than anything Justin King does, but I think it'll show Andy that he's not where he needs to be. It's still insanely difficult if you're not where you need to be with technique.

[mangold]

I'm gonna give the same advice as MWR...you need to walk first man. It's great that you're trying to better yourself, but this isn't the song to do it. When you can play something like Classical Gas perfectly, without any hangups then you might begin to start thinking about this song. There's a lot out there in between where you're at (I've listened to a cover or two) and Justin King. Work up to it.

i agree, but classical gas is a completely different style, one that i am not particularly interested in... if anybody has some easier slap pop stuff for guitar, please pass it my way! im about | | this close to gettin slap pop bass tabs and workin on learnin them on the guitar. being able to play this song is not as important to me as being able to play slap/pop.

See, that's the whole point...you don't get it. You can't just step up to this technique. The other guy said he's been doing it a year! And it's not close to perfect! There is a lot of cross-over in something like classical gas to what Justin King does. Yes, you're adding in some slapping and popping, but the finger speed needed to play classical gas gives a much better foundation that what you've got now. You're trying to read War and Peace without being able to read Go Dog Go first.

well, i can sorta play classical gas, but its with a pick, so thats not really helpin me.

you guys are gonna yell at me and tell me im not listening but i am...
i dont see how learning to fingerpick is going to help me with the slap/pop. both techniques encourage and practice right hand fingerspeed. and i dont even have to learn this song. i just want to get good at slap pop and i cannot see how practicing these fingerpicking songs is going to get me there. you can say that finger picking is a better foundation for the slap/pop, and it may be, but if some new guy came to the boards and his first and only post was asking how to slap/pop, i would be surprised if people told him to learn to fingerpick. and this is probably my fault, i led you guys in the wrong direction by saying that i wanted to learn phunkified, because that song DOES require tremendous fingerpicking skill.

i dont want to argue i just want help... and you telling me that i cant do it , i should go learn something else that doesnt interest me, is not help.

Seriously. Do you know how much finger picking Justin King does in the video? It's not all slapping...and I know from hearing your covers you are nowhere near ready to play anything like that.

EDIT: We ARE helping you. We've given you a path to follow to get where you want to be. You just don't want to believe that it's not something you can just pick up and learn over the course of a couple months. You have to open your eyes here man. The fact that you say you don't see how fingerpicking will help you alone shows your ass on this one.

did you even read my comment? i know that the song has lots of fingerpicking in it. but im not interested in that section of the song... and i dont see how me not understanding something makes me an ass...
there is no finger picking in the slap pop section of the song... every note is either a slap, pop, or a twelth fret harmonic, and as i said, thats the only part of the song im interested in.