Key question..

Tranman66 · Unread post by **Tranman66** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 12:23 am

Do you have to play in one key, can you use two keys at once? i saw some rock solos and they went all over the place, and i am pretty sure that its not in key. can you do this?

filmdude100cms · Unread post by **filmdude100cms** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 12:25 am

no, but theres a shit load of scales, pentatonic, hexitonic, harmonic, and tones of others, so i mean conseivably you could be everywhere and still be in 1 key... cant do 2 cause itd sound like shit.

i am sam2 · Unread post by **i am sam2** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:18 am

two keys doesnt necessarily sound like shit
i know its a different instrument but its the same notes, dave brubeck has lots of songs where his left hand is in a different key than his right.

gumbomadness · Unread post by **gumbomadness** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 2:38 am

different instrument? which instrument? On a guitar how could you have two hands in different keys? (unless youre tapping) You might be thinking of exotic scales...
in Joe Satriani's midnight (tapping) it doesnt seem like it fits into regular scales.. but it sounds right.. his left hand and right hand (both fretting) seem all over, but its not TWO keys.. a song CAN have two keys.. meaning, it starts out in one key and ends in another... (some dave songs do that ... ).. but ya, two keys at once, that just wouldnt make sense, and would probably contradict the whole basis of knowing scales and stuff. interesting quesstion tho, nice to ponder.

Brock · Unread post by **Brock** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 2:42 am

gumbomadness wrote:different instrument? which instrument? On a guitar how could you have two hands in different keys? (unless youre tapping) You might be thinking of exotic scales...
in Joe Satriani's midnight (tapping) it doesnt seem like it fits into regular scales.. but it sounds right.. his left hand and right hand (both fretting) seem all over, but its not TWO keys.. a song CAN have two keys.. meaning, it starts out in one key and ends in another... (some dave songs do that ... ).. but ya, two keys at once, that just wouldnt make sense, and would probably contradict the whole basis of knowing scales and stuff. interesting quesstion tho, nice to ponder.

Dave Brubeck is a jazz pianist, so he can most definitely play different keys with each hand.

gumbomadness · Unread post by **gumbomadness** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 3:11 am

TrippnBill686 wrote:
gumbomadness wrote:different instrument? which instrument? On a guitar how could you have two hands in different keys? (unless youre tapping) You might be thinking of exotic scales...
in Joe Satriani's midnight (tapping) it doesnt seem like it fits into regular scales.. but it sounds right.. his left hand and right hand (both fretting) seem all over, but its not TWO keys.. a song CAN have two keys.. meaning, it starts out in one key and ends in another... (some dave songs do that ... ).. but ya, two keys at once, that just wouldnt make sense, and would probably contradict the whole basis of knowing scales and stuff. interesting quesstion tho, nice to ponder.
Dave Brubeck is a jazz pianist, so he can most definitely play different keys with each hand.

Woops! Okay.. ya. Well, what i said still makes sense.. but still, if you play two keys at once.. it shouldnt sound good. It could just be a weird key, or a jazz thing. Jazz breaks alot of rules.. or it seems too, when really it creates a shitload more of them.

Jer1400 · Unread post by **Jer1400** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:13 am

It could have just been atonal music. :/

Or you could just switch keys. Like going from E to A to D would be pretty easy to do flawlessly.

Sciaracastro · Unread post by **Sciaracastro** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:11 am

Well, i'm pretty ignorant...but if u think about a song played w/ 2 guitars, one can play in a key, and the other in the 3rd key of that...i cant speak english well...i hope it's clear... :oops:

Tranman66 · Unread post by **Tranman66** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 11:00 am

can you play out of key and have it sound in key? I know theres a lot of scales, but these crazy rock solos just move the same formation of notes down each fret, so... you know what i mean? if you move down fret to fret, cant possibly be a key.

filmdude100cms · Unread post by **filmdude100cms** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 11:16 am

Tranman66 wrote:can you play out of key and have it sound in key? I know theres a lot of scales, but these crazy rock solos just move the same formation of notes down each fret, so... you know what i mean? if you move down fret to fret, cant possibly be a key.

you cant play a scale in A, then do one in D then go back to A and the d part sound good... just dont work.

annnnnnd...

TrippnBill686 wrote:
gumbomadness wrote:different instrument? which instrument? On a guitar how could you have two hands in different keys? (unless youre tapping) You might be thinking of exotic scales...
in Joe Satriani's midnight (tapping) it doesnt seem like it fits into regular scales.. but it sounds right.. his left hand and right hand (both fretting) seem all over, but its not TWO keys.. a song CAN have two keys.. meaning, it starts out in one key and ends in another... (some dave songs do that ... ).. but ya, two keys at once, that just wouldnt make sense, and would probably contradict the whole basis of knowing scales and stuff. interesting quesstion tho, nice to ponder.
Dave Brubeck is a jazz pianist, so he can most definitely play different keys with each hand.

bitch slap!

gumbomadness · Unread post by **gumbomadness** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 2:08 pm

filmdude100cms wrote:
Tranman66 wrote:can you play out of key and have it sound in key? I know theres a lot of scales, but these crazy rock solos just move the same formation of notes down each fret, so... you know what i mean? if you move down fret to fret, cant possibly be a key.
you cant play a scale in A, then do one in D then go back to A and the d part sound good... just dont work.

annnnnnd...

TrippnBill686 wrote:
gumbomadness wrote:different instrument? which instrument? On a guitar how could you have two hands in different keys? (unless youre tapping) You might be thinking of exotic scales...
in Joe Satriani's midnight (tapping) it doesnt seem like it fits into regular scales.. but it sounds right.. his left hand and right hand (both fretting) seem all over, but its not TWO keys.. a song CAN have two keys.. meaning, it starts out in one key and ends in another... (some dave songs do that ... ).. but ya, two keys at once, that just wouldnt make sense, and would probably contradict the whole basis of knowing scales and stuff. interesting quesstion tho, nice to ponder.
Dave Brubeck is a jazz pianist, so he can most definitely play different keys with each hand.
bitch slap!

MWR · Unread post by **MWR** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 2:20 pm

People have a tendancy to see theory as rules not guidelines. You can "do" anything you want it just depends on how you approach it.

you cant play a scale in A, then do one in D then go back to A and the d part sound good... just dont work.

You most cetainly can DEPENDING on the harmony. Ya'll need to start thinking outside the box more. The difference between A and D is one note-G#. G would be the flat seventh of A and if you know your modes you would immediately realize that's mixolydian. Now were tecnically in a different key but if the rest of the chord progression is straight up A major than what key are you in?
Now take that same example and instead of a regular A (A, C#, E) lets make it an Amaj7 (A, C#, E, G#). If you were to play a G over that it would obviously not sound very good. But change it into a dominant 7 (A, C#, E, G) and there's that mixolydian harmony you need. I say again-it's all in the harmony.

Tranman66 · Unread post by **Tranman66** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 2:24 pm

One day, i will get down on music theory

onid41 · Unread post by **onid41** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 3:30 pm

Tranman66 wrote:One day, i will get down on music theory

mlb1399 · Unread post by **mlb1399** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 3:38 pm

Switching keys is a commonly used practice, called modulation.

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