Keys/scales(basicly want to know if i'm correct)

DMBFan63 · Post by **DMBFan63** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:43 am

are these all correct?:

F: F G A A# C D E F
G: G A B C D E F# G
A: A B C# D E F# G# A
E: E F# G# A B C# D# E
B: B C# D# E F# G# A# B
C: C D E F G A B C
D: D E F# G A B C# D
F#: F# G# A# B C# D# F F#
G#: G# A# C C# D# F G G#
C#: C# D# F F# G# A# C C#
A#: A# C D D# F G A A#
D#: D# F G G# A# C D D#

Fm: F G G# A# C C# D# F
Gm: G A A# C D D# F G
Am: A B C D E F G A
Em: E F# G A B C D E
Bm: B C# D E F# G A B
Cm: C D D# F G G# A# C
Dm: D E F G A A# C D
F#m: F# G# A B C# D E F#
G#m: G# A# B C# D# E F# G#
C#m: C# D# E F# G# A B C#
A#m: A# C C# D# F F# G# A#
D#m: D# F F# G# A# B C# D#

If not, which are wrong?

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:53 am

im not gonna look through them all, but heres a good way to look at them:

Cmaj: C D E F G A B C
Fmaj: F G A Bb C D E F
Bb: Bb C D Eb F G A Bb
Eb: Eb F G Ab Bb C D Eb
Ab: Ab Bb C Db Eb F G Ab
Db: Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C Db
Gb: Gb Ab Bb Cb(or B) Db Eb F Gb
Bmaj: B C# D# E F# G# A# B
Emaj: E F# G# A B C# D# E
Amaj: A B C# D E F# G# A
Dmaj: D E F# G A B C# D
Gmaj: G A B C D E F# G

now, each scale is in its place because it is the 4th interval of the scale before it.

heres how to find a minor scale:

Cmaj: C D E F G A B

the A is bold because it is the 6th interval. scales have modes:

Ionian - 1 - Maj
Dorian - 2 - Min
Phygrian - 3 - Min
Lydian - 4 - Maj
Mixolydian - 5 - Maj
Aeolian - 6 - Min (Natural/Relative Minor Scale)
Locrian - 7 - Min b5

youll see the 6th is the relative minor. each mode takes whatever scale has the note in a certain position, and starts from there.. to better explain:

taking the Cmaj scale with the A as the 6th interval, the Am scale starts with A and continues:

Am: A B C D E F G

DMBFan63 · Post by **DMBFan63** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:57 am

Thanks much shane..But flats?

someone just be sure that all the notes are correct, all i care about

Edit: Not sounding like i don't know what flats are, i was just breaking his balls asking why he didn't use sharps

Duffman · Post by **Duffman** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:18 am

he used flats because all the scales are supposed to have all the letters in them. the F major scale isn't F G A A# C D E F because it has two A's in it. change it to Bb, F G A Bb C D E F. when you get deeper into theory, it will make everything easier doing it this way.

Macht · Post by **Macht** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:22 am

Duffman wrote:he used flats because all the scales are supposed to have all the letters in them. the F major scale isn't F G A A# C D E F because it has two A's in it. change it to Bb, F G A Bb C D E F. when you get deeper into theory, it will make everything easier doing it this way.

oh yeah!!

DMBFan63 · Post by **DMBFan63** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:22 am

Duffman wrote:he used flats because all the scales are supposed to have all the letters in them. the F major scale isn't F G A A# C D E F because it has two A's in it. change it to Bb, F G A Bb C D E F. when you get deeper into theory, it will make everything easier doing it this way.

I don't really like the idea of flats.. i think Sharps are much easier

fatjack · Post by **fatjack** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:39 am

DMBFan63 wrote:
Duffman wrote:he used flats because all the scales are supposed to have all the letters in them. the F major scale isn't F G A A# C D E F because it has two A's in it. change it to Bb, F G A Bb C D E F. when you get deeper into theory, it will make everything easier doing it this way.
I don't really like the idea of flats.. i think Sharps are much easier

you obviously dont read music then do you?

the reason some keys are flat and some keys are sharp is because when you have a piece of music, the key of the song is identified by how many sharps or flats are in the key signature. its impossible to denote keys without using flats, because you cant have both A and A# (or any two notes with the same letter) written in the key signature

DMBFan63 · Post by **DMBFan63** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:47 am

fatjack wrote:
DMBFan63 wrote:
Duffman wrote:he used flats because all the scales are supposed to have all the letters in them. the F major scale isn't F G A A# C D E F because it has two A's in it. change it to Bb, F G A Bb C D E F. when you get deeper into theory, it will make everything easier doing it this way.
I don't really like the idea of flats.. i think Sharps are much easier
you obviously dont read music then do you?

the reason some keys are flat and some keys are sharp is because when you have a piece of music, the key of the song is identified by how many sharps or flats are in the key signature. its impossible to denote keys without using flats, because you cant have both A and A# (or any two notes with the same letter) written in the key signature

at this current point, no i don't read music.. Now that i know that you can't have two of the same letter in a key, i will fix this and learn it that way

DMBFan63 · Post by **DMBFan63** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:59 am

Fatjack, I have a question, what about for the key of A?

Amaj: A B C# D E F# G# A

How would i put a Db instead of C#? there is a D in there already.. and same for G#-Ab, there is an A already.. i don't understand it

ahh, shit i get it now.. they're only flats when that Root note is already in the key.. i get it i guess

MWR · Post by **MWR** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:02 am

If you work out each scale knowing that you must have only one of each note you will see how it all works. This apply's only to the major and relative minor scales.
It's also technically against the rules to mix sharps and flats because as fatjack mentioned the key signatures have to be consistant.

A good thing to memorize is the circle of fifths. It's a nice graphical representation of keys and if they're sharp or flat.

charliemike · Post by **charliemike** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:37 am

The Major scales are wrong.

1, 4, 5 are Major
2, 3, 6 are Minor
7 is sharp

TrippingBilly · Post by **TrippingBilly** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:20 pm

All of this would be so much easier if you took piano lessons or could read music...

fatjack · Post by **fatjack** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:23 pm

DMBFan63 wrote:Fatjack, I have a question, what about for the key of A?

Amaj: A B C# D E F# G# A

How would i put a Db instead of C#? there is a D in there already.. and same for G#-Ab, there is an A already.. i don't understand it

ahh, shit i get it now.. they're only flats when that Root note is already in the key.. i get it i guess

i dont understand what you are asking, the way you wrote out A is fine there, A is a key that you use sharps with

you never have sharps AND flats in a key, its either one or the other

fatjack · Post by **fatjack** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:24 pm

charliemike wrote:The Major scales are wrong.

1, 4, 5 are Major
2, 3, 6 are Minor
7 is sharp

what??

are you trying to write out diatonic harmony or something?

DMBFan63 · Post by **DMBFan63** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:31 pm

charliemike wrote:The Major scales are wrong.

1, 4, 5 are Major
2, 3, 6 are Minor
7 is sharp

the major scales are not wrong, i just used sharps instead of flats, which, i was informed, is incorrect when the same root note is used.. so i know now