Cdim+6

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:25 am

im trying to figure this out... can anyone tell me how to play this?

jsgksu · Post by **jsgksu** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:39 am

Try this: http://www.guitartabs.cc/fetchurl.php?f ... _chord.crd

jsgksu · Post by **jsgksu** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:40 am

I just looked, its not on there but there is like 4 or 5 Cdim chords, maybe one of those is another name for that chord

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:21 pm

well... i know a Cdim is x3424x... im just a little confused because of the aug6 it wants...

MWR · Post by **MWR** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:45 pm

Well the sixth of C is A and it's augmented (raised a half step) so that leaves you with A#. So all you have to do is raised the A to an A# or x3434x.
This chord could have also been called Cdim#6.

You_Enjoy_Myself · Post by **You_Enjoy_Myself** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:13 pm

I've gone cross-eyed

(Say with an austin powers accent, yeah there ya go)

fatjack · Post by **fatjack** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:48 pm

thats a crazy ass chord, its got the b5, #5, and the 6

ericwormann · Post by **ericwormann** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:31 am

fatjack wrote:thats a crazy ass chord, its got the b5, #5, and the 6

where do you get the #5?

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:52 am

winglet82 wrote:
fatjack wrote:thats a crazy ass chord, its got the b5, #5, and the 6
where do you get the #5?

augmented chords have the #5.

thats what was confusing me.

fatjack · Post by **fatjack** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:12 pm

i'd play it like this probably

x34244

fatjack · Post by **fatjack** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:18 pm

MWR wrote:Well the sixth of C is A and it's augmented (raised a half step) so that leaves you with A#. So all you have to do is raised the A to an A# or x3434x.
This chord could have also been called Cdim#6.

you cant call it that, they are two different chords

a Cdim+6 qould consist of the 1, b3, b5, #5, 6

a Cdim#6 would consist of the 1, b3, b5, 6, b7

the truth is, a lot of the tones are just fluff and probably dont work, these are just the formulas if you include every single tone

the Cdim+6 is almost like a gender confused chord, it wants to have a b5, and a #5. and i find it very strange that they would even put a 6 on the chord name considering that a dim chord already has the 6. this is quite an ambiguous chord...

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:57 pm

turns out she thinks that Cdim+6 = Cdim(add6).... so ends the confusion

grock · Post by **grock** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 4:25 pm

fatjack wrote:
MWR wrote:Well the sixth of C is A and it's augmented (raised a half step) so that leaves you with A#. So all you have to do is raised the A to an A# or x3434x.
This chord could have also been called Cdim#6.
you cant call it that, they are two different chords

a Cdim+6 qould consist of the 1, b3, b5, #5, 6

a Cdim#6 would consist of the 1, b3, b5, 6, b7

the truth is, a lot of the tones are just fluff and probably dont work, these are just the formulas if you include every single tone

the Cdim+6 is almost like a gender confused chord, it wants to have a b5, and a #5. and i find it very strange that they would even put a 6 on the chord name considering that a dim chord already has the 6. this is quite an ambiguous chord...

it really depends a lot on what the other chords around this are.

so a C Eb/D# Gb/F# G# A may be a D# Half diminished add 4 or F#dim add2, add6 or even something as crazy as F#dim/G5 a double chord.

I know that these augmented 6th chords show up all over in advanced tonal music. Watch out for the Polish Aug6! haha. (i bet only FJ may get this joke, and to be honest i think it's a long shot)

check out these links for a little blurb on 6ths.
http://www.tonalityguide.com/xxaug6.php

grock · Post by **grock** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:54 am

grock wrote:
fatjack wrote:
MWR wrote:Well the sixth of C is A and it's augmented (raised a half step) so that leaves you with A#. So all you have to do is raised the A to an A# or x3434x.
This chord could have also been called Cdim#6.
you cant call it that, they are two different chords

a Cdim+6 qould consist of the 1, b3, b5, #5, 6

a Cdim#6 would consist of the 1, b3, b5, 6, b7

the truth is, a lot of the tones are just fluff and probably dont work, these are just the formulas if you include every single tone

the Cdim+6 is almost like a gender confused chord, it wants to have a b5, and a #5. and i find it very strange that they would even put a 6 on the chord name considering that a dim chord already has the 6. this is quite an ambiguous chord...
it really depends a lot on what the other chords around this are.

so a C Eb/D# Gb/F# G# A may be a D# Half diminished add 4 or F#dim add2, add6 or even something as crazy as F#dim/G5 a double chord.

I know that these augmented 6th chords show up all over in advanced tonal music. Watch out for the Polish Aug6! haha. (i bet only FJ may get this joke, and to be honest i think it's a long shot)

check out these links for a little blurb on 6ths.
http://www.tonalityguide.com/xxaug6.php

I love quoting myself.

Augmented 6ths are the bomb. Most chords have a single leading tone that pulls it to another chord. Think about how much a B7 begs for an E.

But Aug 6ths have two leading tones that aproach from the bottom and top, typically to the dominant. In the key of E, the dominant is B, so we start with the two leading tones to B and invert it. like this

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-    A# resolves up to B
C    -            -
A#   -           -
-    C  resolves dn to B

Now that is really dissonant so we need to add some tones in there (that's why i left the "-"s) the italians first decided to add a Major Third above the bass note for an "It. 6". notice that all examples are specific to the key of E however there may be cases of secondary dominance where these aug6's will appear in other keys. and all of these chords resolve to the Dominant (B) which uses this as momentum to hit that tonic (E) hard. sometimes they go straigh to the Tonic Chord. anyways, the italians have this

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A#
-
E
C

And the french think this is pretty cool but they gotta add their own gay little twist. so they add a Major third below th upper note in the 6th. so we have two major thirds seperated by a Major second. the "Fr. 6"

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A#
F#
E
C

But the germans, realizing how gay this is, notice that it would be smarter to make the Triad instead of all this namby pamby stuff. The "Ger. 6" has a C major triad with the aug 6th above.

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A#
G
E
C

The polish 6th doesn't really exist, but is just a different way to do as above (hint: think of the dumbest thing you could do to change the Ger. 6). Ask you're music theory prof's about the Polish 6th. They will think you are hilarious (i am serious).
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another way to look at this chord is as a B7b9 chord without the root.

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B 
D# 
F# 
A
C

if you lop off the root and rearrange sharps and flats you have

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D#dim7 or F#dim7 or Adim7 or Cdim7
  D#       F#        A        C
  F#       A         C        Eb(D#)
  A        C         Eb(D#)   Gb(F#)
  C        Eb(D#)    Gb(F#)   Bbb(A)

so you have 4 notes that can be "spelled" 4 different ways and used for 4 different purposes. have fun chewing on that... (you can see how raising the A would be your chord that started this)

now after we have Aug 6ths down, we could start talking Jazz's little secret, Tritone Substitution. but this is long enough, we'll save that for later...

phatnev · Post by **phatnev** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:47 pm

Wow and I thought the philosophy thread made my head spin