Who's voice do you like better? Vedder or Bono.

[isaac]

i like 'em both for different reasons because they're stylistically different, so it's like comparing Yo Yo Ma to Tim Reynolds. i like 'em both,

man...bad analogies in the morning.

[ticohans]

Sorry, but whoever said that Vedder has more range than Bono is simply wrong. I can sing all the Vedder stuff. I can't sing all the Bono stuff. Bono can do stuff in chest voice Vedder can't, and his falsetto extends his broad range even more. And why is there all this putting down for falsetto use??? Secondly, for whoever wrote off the recent Beautiful Day album, if you think that's prepackaged commercial stuff let me say that you know nothing about Bono. Your tastes might be more suited to Vedder's lyrics, but Bono's lyrics are by no stretch of the imagination insincere or the like. Pearl Jam has done just as much "selling out" as U2. Just because a band alters their style doesn't mean they are selling out. Finally, while I do not care for Justin Timberlake's stuff, I recently saw a concert of his on the TV, and the man is INSANE. He is a million times the musician of everyone here and probably the majority of the people in pop music today. I was absolutely blown away by his ability. It's one thing to dislike a person's stuff. I can respect that. But ignorant bashing is just pointless. To question Timberlake's ability is just silly.

[gcom007]

tico, there's no use arguing the whole selling out deal, people are just ignorant...they throw around words like that as if they have a clue as to what they're referring to when in fact they don't...

[pjdave1]

Well, if you take note, I actually NEVER used the phrase "selling out", nor do I think it would apply to either band. If your reread my original post, I actually do really like U2, and I respect what they have done for rock music. As for not knowing anything about music, assuming that I am the person you are referring to, I am about to graduate with a BA in music and will be pursuing a masters in Music Technology, and I can recite the lyrics to any U2 song (as well as play damn near all of them on guitar ((yawn)), and can do the same for Pearl Jam). It would be silly to say that U2 has sold out, but it would be equally as silly to say that there is as much to Bono's lyrical content as there once was. As for good ole' Justin Timberlake, he is a VERY good singer, and exceptional dancer, but hardly what I would call a "musician". If you would like to hear a "musician", or musical ensemble, go listen to the Cleveland Orchestra, or Winton Marseilles, or Victor Wooten, or Dave Matthews, or Pearl Jam, or U2. If you fail to see why Justin Timberlake does not fit the bill, I would encourage you to do some research into what makes a person a "musician". Singing a song which was written in a studio, probably by someone else (not out of personal feeling or forum for voicing an opinion, but out of the quest to make a dollar) certainly does not constitute music, although it is a good example of capitalism. Look, the point is that Bono was good (one of the greatest) when he was doing Bono's thing, but "Beautiful Day" sounds too much like everything else.

[ryopan]

....lets get it on......(ala UFC style)

[zeppelin41]

their music/voices are so different - I'm wondering why you picked these two to compair

on thte PJ DVD my brother got for xmas, Vedder holds one note for like 30 min (a long time), I'm supprised he didn't pass out.. I"m sure bono could do it just as long though.


also wondering why this is in the general guitar section of the forums

[fatjack]

vedder has one of the most copied voices in "new rock" style. there is a reason for that: its not difficult to mimic

[gcom007]

Well, if you take note, I actually NEVER used the phrase "selling out", nor do I think it would apply to either band. If your reread my original post, I actually do really like U2, and I respect what they have done for rock music. As for not knowing anything about music, assuming that I am the person you are referring to, I am about to graduate with a BA in music and will be pursuing a masters in Music Technology, and I can recite the lyrics to any U2 song (as well as play damn near all of them on guitar ((yawn)), and can do the same for Pearl Jam). It would be silly to say that U2 has sold out, but it would be equally as silly to say that there is as much to Bono's lyrical content as there once was. As for good ole' Justin Timberlake, he is a VERY good singer, and exceptional dancer, but hardly what I would call a "musician". If you would like to hear a "musician", or musical ensemble, go listen to the Cleveland Orchestra, or Winton Marseilles, or Victor Wooten, or Dave Matthews, or Pearl Jam, or U2. If you fail to see why Justin Timberlake does not fit the bill, I would encourage you to do some research into what makes a person a "musician". Singing a song which was written in a studio, probably by someone else (not out of personal feeling or forum for voicing an opinion, but out of the quest to make a dollar) certainly does not constitute music, although it is a good example of capitalism. Look, the point is that Bono was good (one of the greatest) when he was doing Bono's thing, but "Beautiful Day" sounds too much like everything else.

what's your musical opinion on boyd tinsley?

[DJR]

vedder has one of the most copied voices in "new rock" style. there is a reason for that: its not difficult to mimic

*cough*SCOTT STAPP (sp?)*COUGH*
total vedder wannabe

[fatjack]

vedder has one of the most copied voices in "new rock" style. there is a reason for that: its not difficult to mimic

*cough*SCOTT STAPP (sp?)*COUGH*
total vedder wannabe

EXACTLY

and Nickelcrap too

[NoNotThat]

I don't like Vedder at all.

[Trippin Hillbilly]

Sorry, but whoever said that Vedder has more range than Bono is simply wrong. I can sing all the Vedder stuff. I can't sing all the Bono stuff. Bono can do stuff in chest voice Vedder can't, and his falsetto extends his broad range even more. And why is there all this putting down for falsetto use???

Before vedder joined pearl jam he played in another band, I forget the name but he sang in a higher register. Which means what? More range.

While I admit you are a very good singer there is no way that you can sing ALL vedder's stuff, sorry.
i find it easier to sing u2's stuff than I do pj's.

Who was putting down falsetto? I simply mentioned that bono uses falsetto more than anything else, which he does.
Not putting it down, I use it all the time and I love it but perhaps vedder doesn't use it cause he has enough range in his natural chest voice.
Overall I still think Vedder had/has/always will have, a better voice than Bono.

vedder has one of the most copied voices in "new rock" style. there is a reason for that: its not difficult to mimic

Fatjack, the reason vedders voice so often copied is because it's great and unique. It most certainly is not easy to emulate.
Yes nickelcrack blow, he wishes he sounded like ed ved.

Chris Cornell is better singer than both of them.

[pjdave1]

Elliot-
It's tough to answer what my musical opinion on Boyd Tinsley is- I've only been reading these boards for a few weeks, and I've noticed alot of criticism on his technical ability from people on these boards. There is little doubt that he misses a pitch every now and then when playing live, but I feel that technical ability is not necessarily the most important factor when making music. My first instrument is not guitar- I am an oboe player- and I have spent hour upon hour learning all forms of all scales and played hundreds of etudes for building technique, but when it comes down to it, technical ability simply builds the tools you need to make good music. Many musicians can play fast, difficult passages, but are doing little in the way of making music, and are actually just regurgitating notes. Sure, it sounds flashy, but is it music (is it coming from the players soul, or their fingers?)? I can tell you this- When I watch Mr. Tinsley play, I am inclined to believe that he is playing from inside. His improvisational skills are quite good, and although he may not be technically perfect, he has that special something that many players do not have- the ability to play with emotion. It is sort of like that poll about Tim Reynolds vs. Stevie Ray Vaughn- I can't, and won't, take away from the accomplishments of either one of these players, but Stevie Ray Vaughn has what Tim Reynolds lacks-(pardon the cliche) the ability to say with one note what Tim Reynolds says with about 100. In the end, Boyd Tinsley is an essential element to one of my favorite groups- it is important to remember that it is the dave matthews BAND, and that without any one of the individuals, they would not be what they are.

[pjdave1]

p.s.-
i've never heard Boyd's solo stuff........

[gcom007]

Elliot-
It's tough to answer what my musical opinion on Boyd Tinsley is- I've only been reading these boards for a few weeks, and I've noticed alot of criticism on his technical ability from people on these boards. There is little doubt that he misses a pitch every now and then when playing live, but I feel that technical ability is not necessarily the most important factor when making music. My first instrument is not guitar- I am an oboe player- and I have spent hour upon hour learning all forms of all scales and played hundreds of etudes for building technique, but when it comes down to it, technical ability simply builds the tools you need to make good music. Many musicians can play fast, difficult passages, but are doing little in the way of making music, and are actually just regurgitating notes. Sure, it sounds flashy, but is it music (is it coming from the players soul, or their fingers?)? I can tell you this- When I watch Mr. Tinsley play, I am inclined to believe that he is playing from inside. His improvisational skills are quite good, and although he may not be technically perfect, he has that special something that many players do not have- the ability to play with emotion. It is sort of like that poll about Tim Reynolds vs. Stevie Ray Vaughn- I can't, and won't, take away from the accomplishments of either one of these players, but Stevie Ray Vaughn has what Tim Reynolds lacks-(pardon the cliche) the ability to say with one note what Tim Reynolds says with about 100. In the end, Boyd Tinsley is an essential element to one of my favorite groups- it is important to remember that it is the dave matthews BAND, and that without any one of the individuals, they would not be what they are.

well, I have a few music major friends who thinks boyds a colossal hack, and it doesn't take a genious to hear that his improvisational style sucks. He plays hardly any notes! What isn't just noise is little 3 note patterns played over and over again...he always sounds the same as well considering he just plays the same finger patterns and doesn't even play them well at that...he doesn't even hold his bow in the proper way. He signed up for strings class thinking he'd be learning to play guitar and was met w/ the violin when? Most good violinists have been playing since a very young age. And does he miss pitches every so often? Try all the time...I have a solo of dancing nancies and it hardly sounds like the same song...it's simply hideous. Yes, he's a member of one of your favorite bands, but take off the rose-colored glasses for a second and realize that Boyd is terrible and is a huge detriment to a band that could be a lot stronger w/ more qualified individuals.