Tripping Billies chords

Brock · Post by **Brock** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 9:51 pm

fatjack wrote:
Jay wrote:is that fair? D and Bm have te same notes in their scales, but they create different feelings. what's the point of having modes if people just dismiss them?
i've said it before and i will say it again: when you are looking at just the key of the song, its the same thing. but when you play the scales they are different. a mode is something completely different from the key. so by saying "that song is in Bm" or "no it's in D" just reinforces the awful idea that you are restricted to playing just one scale or mode throughout the entire song.

Coming from a piano player of over 12 years, I would strongly disagree with your statement. But that's just because piano is a different instrument than a guitar, and a song in D on piano is MUCH different than a song in Bm, no matter what notes are in the key. They are relative majors/minors to each other, but certainly NOT the same key. It's a lot more pronounced on piano though, so that's why I feel this way.

DustyDave · Post by **DustyDave** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 10:57 pm

Piano's are so lovely , i want one

fatjack · Post by **fatjack** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:02 pm

TrippnBill686 wrote:
fatjack wrote:
Jay wrote:is that fair? D and Bm have te same notes in their scales, but they create different feelings. what's the point of having modes if people just dismiss them?
i've said it before and i will say it again: when you are looking at just the key of the song, its the same thing. but when you play the scales they are different. a mode is something completely different from the key. so by saying "that song is in Bm" or "no it's in D" just reinforces the awful idea that you are restricted to playing just one scale or mode throughout the entire song.
Coming from a piano player of over 12 years, I would strongly disagree with your statement. But that's just because piano is a different instrument than a guitar, and a song in D on piano is MUCH different than a song in Bm, no matter what notes are in the key. They are relative majors/minors to each other, but certainly NOT the same key. It's a lot more pronounced on piano though, so that's why I feel this way.

i play piano too, and it still seems that you are missing the point

on paper they are the same, but in actual playing YES they are different. it just depends which note you use as the tonic

Coldchillin · Post by **Coldchillin** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:12 pm

Davy28 wrote:I would say that minor keys are sad, they are more....mysterious, darker. Some can be dead sexy.

I don't like when people say they are sad. it's not always like that...oh well, I don't know where I was going with this one...

fatjack · Post by **fatjack** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:15 pm

Coldchillin23222 wrote:
Davy28 wrote:I would say that minor keys are sad, they are more....mysterious, darker. Some can be dead sexy.
I don't like when people say they are sad. it's not always like that...oh well, I don't know where I was going with this one...

when you know your shit well enough, major and minor won't matter anymore

Davy28 · Post by **Davy28** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:53 pm

fatjack wrote:
Coldchillin23222 wrote:
Davy28 wrote:I would say that minor keys are sad, they are more....mysterious, darker. Some can be dead sexy.
I don't like when people say they are sad. it's not always like that...oh well, I don't know where I was going with this one...
when you know your shit well enough, major and minor won't matter anymore

Oops!

I meant to say I wouldn't say minor keys are sad. Typo.

Brock · Post by **Brock** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:58 pm

fatjack wrote:i play piano too, and it still seems that you are missing the point

on paper they are the same, but in actual playing YES they are different. it just depends which note you use as the tonic

On paper as in what notes have sharps and flats? Well of course they're the same, that's the point of relative majors and minors. However, even on paper, songs in relative majors/minors will have different root notes and will just flow very differently. If you'll notice on a piece of sheet music (Baroque tend to use this more) that switches from a relative minor to a relative major in the middle of a song (or vice versa), they have to be distinctly marked as different keys.

MWR · Post by **MWR** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:53 pm

fatjack wrote:
MWR wrote:
gravedigger wrote:yeah, the song is in D so the D string ringing open is nice.
Nitpick alert! It's actually in B minor.
nitpick alert! its the same damn thing

SAME NOTES DIFFERENT KEY!!!!!!!!!!!!! THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!
If you don't think so your credibility go's down in my book. Oh and it is in Bm. What chord does the whole chorus progression revolve around not to mention end on? Ummmmmmmmmm...Bm! This is simple ass shit. For someone who nows their theory you sure come off as amatuer sometimes.

chosta · Post by **chosta** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:51 pm

this post never happened...

gravedigger · Post by **gravedigger** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:56 pm

c'mon chosta, spit it out.

fatjack · Post by **fatjack** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:01 pm

TrippnBill686 wrote:If you'll notice on a piece of sheet music (Baroque tend to use this more) that switches from a relative minor to a relative major in the middle of a song (or vice versa), they have to be distinctly marked as different keys.

the key sig would not change... what are you referring to?

Brock · Post by **Brock** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 6:47 pm

If you have one, pull out a piece of sheet where that happens. Any time the key changes to/from relative major/minor, it *looks* like it's in a different key (but with the same key signature, i.e. double bars, new time/clef markings, etc.).

fatjack · Post by **fatjack** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 6:51 pm

TrippnBill686 wrote:If you have one, pull out a piece of sheet where that happens. Any time the key changes to/from relative major/minor, it *looks* like it's in a different key (but with the same key signature, i.e. double bars, new time/clef markings, etc.).

how does it *look* different? i'm still not following

Brock · Post by **Brock** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:51 pm

fatjack wrote:how does it *look* different? i'm still not following

TrippnBill686 wrote:If you have one, pull out a piece of sheet where that happens. Any time the key changes to/from relative major/minor, it *looks* like it's in a different key (but with the same key signature, i.e. double bars, new time/clef markings, etc.).

Brock · Post by **Brock** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:52 pm

But to be honest, I don't see what the argument is here. We both know that there is a difference between a relative major and minor, although in guitar playing it is not always evident. Your simplification that they're in essence the same key makes sense to a person new to theory because that's what they appear to be. How about we rephrase that to "It doesn't matter whether it's D or Bm because these two keys have the same notes." or something to that effect