Comprehensive List of All Song Keys

[sunglassesatnight]

didnt you just say you didnt take courses? forget it, I'll stop feeding the troll. go away troll, go away!

[MWR]

to say we don't know what we're talking about and then say that the stone is in F major, and that halloween is in C major is just...wow man, you are full of yourself. you said you took theory?

i don't take theory, but i know it. if the key signature on a song has no flats or sharps, its in the key of c. halloween does some funky out of key stuff though, like the E chord.

the Key of C:

C
Dm
Em
G
Am
Bm
C


the last flat in a key signature is Fa. the last sharp in a key signature is Ti. go from there. i check key signatures the way nearly all vocalists do. i'm not full of myself. i never said you guys don't know what you were talking about (to the best of my memory)

I don't think any of this post made any sort of sense, particularly the last paragraph... what is Fa and Ti?
Ummm you got some more studying to do. If a key signature has no sharps or flats it's not automaticaly in C. No sharps or flats could imply any one of the following and many more DEPENDING on what the harmony and tonal center is:
C Ionian(major)
D Dorian
E Phrygian
F Lydian
G Mixolydian
A Aeolian (minor)
B Locrian
and a slew of pentatonic scales.
I assume you know that these are called modes. Although each of these have the same notes if you stack thirds to build harmony from the scale you'll notice how different they are.
Of course Dave's music is major or minor 90% of the time but there are some exceptions.
Anyway it took me years to really internalize this stuff and it's a little frustrating to have someone who obviously doesn't grasp it proclaim themselves a key signature know-it-all. Feel free to PM me if you really want to know what your talking about.

[DMBFan63]

to say we don't know what we're talking about and then say that the stone is in F major, and that halloween is in C major is just...wow man, you are full of yourself. you said you took theory?

i don't take theory, but i know it. if the key signature on a song has no flats or sharps, its in the key of c. halloween does some funky out of key stuff though, like the E chord.

the Key of C:

C
Dm
Em
G
Am
Bm
C


the last flat in a key signature is Fa. the last sharp in a key signature is Ti. go from there. i check key signatures the way nearly all vocalists do. i'm not full of myself. i never said you guys don't know what you were talking about (to the best of my memory)

I don't think any of this post made any sort of sense, particularly the last paragraph... what is Fa and Ti?
Ummm you got some more studying to do. If a key signature has no sharps or flats it's not automaticaly in C. No sharps or flats could imply any one of the following and many more DEPENDING on what the harmony and tonal center is:
C Ionian(major)
D Dorian
E Phrygian
F Lydian
G Mixolydian
A Aeolian (minor)
B Locrian
and a slew of pentatonic scales.
I assume you know that these are called modes. Although each of these have the same notes if you stack thirds to build harmony from the scale you'll notice how different they are.
Of course Dave's music is major or minor 90% of the time but there are some exceptions.
Anyway it took me years to really internalize this stuff and it's a little frustrating to have someone who obviously doesn't grasp it proclaim themselves a key signature know-it-all. Feel free to PM me if you really want to know what your talking about.

Very nice post MWR.I actually understood it too!

[i like tictacs]

C isn't the ONLY mode to not have sharps or flats, as MWR pointed out. MWR, we should chat on AIM.

[MWR]

Thanks. Usually I just confuse people.

I would love to chat but the AIM doesn't work on this POS of a computer. The last time I opened it the fucking thing went pshyco on me... oh well.

Another interesting thing about modes...

If you build diatonic (only notes from within the scale) harmony from lets say a C major scale you get the following chords: C Dm Em F G Am Bdim or Major Minor Minor Major Major Minor Diminished.
This applys directly to the tonality of all the related modes. So Ionian is major obviously, Dorian is minor, phrygian is minor, lydian is major, mixolydian is major, Aeolian is minor, and Locrian is a diminished scale.
I find it easy to assosicate how each mode differs harmony-wise compared to the major scale. Dorian for instance is the same as Aeolian but the raised sixth degree makes the IV chord major or dominant instead of minor. Harmonic minor is the same as Aeolian but the raised seventh makes the V chord major or dominant instead of minor.
The harmony can get really complex when you start buiding Seventh or Ninth chords but the basic tonality and how it relates to the major scale is always the same. Ok I'll shut up now...

[SpoonInSpoon]

I don't think any of this post made any sort of sense, particularly the last paragraph... what is Fa and Ti?

do re me fa so la ti do.






fuckitall.

[MWR]

I don't think any of this post made any sort of sense, particularly the last paragraph... what is Fa and Ti?

do re me fa so la ti do.






fuckitall.

Ahhhh Solfge(sp?). Forgive me I never took vocal/piano lessons.

[i like tictacs]

I don't think any of this post made any sort of sense, particularly the last paragraph... what is Fa and Ti?

do re me fa so la ti do.






fuckitall.

That doesn't mean shit, you cant use the moveable "do" to identify scales and keys. they are nothing more then sounds that are used to teach singing.

[SpoonInSpoon]

I don't think any of this post made any sort of sense, particularly the last paragraph... what is Fa and Ti?

do re me fa so la ti do.






fuckitall.

That doesn't mean shit, you cant use the moveable "do" to identify scales and keys. they are nothing more then sounds that are used to teach singing.

eh. wrong.

[Brock]

I don't think any of this post made any sort of sense, particularly the last paragraph... what is Fa and Ti?

do re me fa so la ti do.






fuckitall.

That doesn't mean shit, you cant use the moveable "do" to identify scales and keys. they are nothing more then sounds that are used to teach singing.

eh. wrong.

Wow. You, my friend, are a piece of work.

[i like tictacs]

I don't think any of this post made any sort of sense, particularly the last paragraph... what is Fa and Ti?

do re me fa so la ti do.






fuckitall.

That doesn't mean shit, you cant use the moveable "do" to identify scales and keys. they are nothing more then sounds that are used to teach singing.

eh. wrong.

HAahahaHAHAHAha

[SpoonInSpoon]

you CAN determine key signatures that way.

[DMBFan63]

you CAN determine key signatures that way.

I'd really like to know how because in my music theory class, we were taught every way possible to figure out a key signiture and this wasn't one of them..would you mind explaining how to us?

[SpoonInSpoon]

well you take a look at the key signature at the beginning of each system of measures.

(this is the only pic i could find)



the lines go EGBDF, spaces FACE.

here, there are sharps. the musical scale goes do re mi fa sol la ti do.

the last sharp is ti, and you go up one note to find the do (root) note. Here its B.

thats how you determine major scales, but here it says B minor. one way you find out whether its major or minor, vocal wise, is you look at the starting pitch. if its la, in this case, la=Ab. if it starts on an Ab, that means its minor, since the minor scale goes la ti do re mi fa so la.


well, thats what i basically use.

[i like tictacs]

YOu could just memorize the order of sharps and flats

and use cdefgabc

instead of confusing yourself with do re mi fa so blah blah blah