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Question about which chords a couple of notes originated fro

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Hi... I am fairly new to guitar and I was trying to figure out what chords some of Dave's notes originated from...

I know that
E:------
B:------
G:-4---
D: -x--- Seems to be a variation of G?
A: -x---
E:-3---

and that
E:--
B:--
G:-6
D: -x Is a variation of A?
A: -x
E:-5

BUT what are these chords variation of?

E:--
B:--
G:-2
D: -x
A: -x
E:-2

AND

E:--
B:--
G:-7
D: -x
A: -x
E:-7

AND

E:--
B:--
G:-12
D: -x
A: -x
E:-12

AND

E:--
B:--
G:-12
D: -x
A: -x
E:-11

Any pointers from those who know whats up would be greatly appreciated by this newbie.

Thanks!
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dmbcentral wrote:Hi... I am fairly new to guitar and I was trying to figure out what chords some of Dave's notes originated from...

I know that
E:------
B:------
G:-4---
D: -x--- Seems to be a variation of G?
A: -x---
E:-3---

and that
E:--
B:--
G:-6
D: -x Is a variation of A?
A: -x
E:-5

BUT what are these chords variation of?

E:--
B:--
G:-2
D: -x
A: -x
E:-2

AND

E:--
B:--
G:-7
D: -x
A: -x
E:-7

AND

E:--
B:--
G:-12
D: -x
A: -x
E:-12

AND

E:--
B:--
G:-12
D: -x
A: -x
E:-11

Any pointers from those who know whats up would be greatly appreciated by this newbie.

Thanks!
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adamondo wrote:God bless fat jack!
apparently, some would disagree with you
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How could they!?!
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NICE! Thanks fatjack.. Now i know how he came up with that seek up chorus, he pretty much plays the full notes to his previously played "stripped down" (for lack of a better word) notes.

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im gonna have to disagree with the F# minor, it has the right notes for an F#m, except for the open string D. this D makes this chord a D/F#. try playing tripping billies or grey street with all open chords, and you will see that D fits intsead of F#m.

For the same chord in the 7th fret, it could be considered a Bm because D is in the Bm scale. same thing for the G, where D is the 5th of the G major scale. and the D on the 10th fret obviously has a D in it.

other than those chords, I mute the D string
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Duffman wrote:im gonna have to disagree with the F# minor, it has the right notes for an F#m, except for the open string D. this D makes this chord a D/F#. try playing tripping billies or grey street with all open chords, and you will see that D fits intsead of F#m.

For the same chord in the 7th fret, it could be considered a Bm because D is in the Bm scale. same thing for the G, where D is the 5th of the G major scale. and the D on the 10th fret obviously has a D in it.

other than those chords, I mute the D string
look carefully duffman, he didn't write an open D string on that chord chart

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ok, but when they are played, everyone lets the D string resonate. and D/F# fits better with the songs. for instance, tripping billies is in the key of D, with the D/F#, the G, the A, and the reletive minor, Bm.
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Fatjack named them right.
They don't have the fifth degree so technically they are not chords but they do have a major/minor tonality to them. When the E and G sting are fretted at the same fret (2xx2xx) it's a minor 10th and when the G string is fretted one up from the E (2xx3xx) it's a major 10th. The root (note that names the chord/interval) is always on the low E. You can also view these as major/minor thirds except they're seperated by another octave. I know this is way too much info but I just recently got my second wind in regards to theory. I also started to really understand it more when before I just knew of it. I have a whole new lease on guitar playing life.
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Duffman wrote:ok, but when they are played, everyone lets the D string resonate. and D/F# fits better with the songs. for instance, tripping billies is in the key of D, with the D/F#, the G, the A, and the reletive minor, Bm.
I think it's better to understand these as what they are period, not what they are in this particular song. The D/F# is exactly that when you let the d resonate but it's silly to say "everyone lets the d resonate". That just narrows your understanding of it. If you don't let the d resonate it is a f# minor 10th interval. Oh and tripping billes is in Bm not D. Play the chorus riff and end on D then play it and end on Bm. I think you'll agree.
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adamondo wrote:How could they!?!
get to know 'em.... :wink: :lol:
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MWR wrote:
Duffman wrote:ok, but when they are played, everyone lets the D string resonate. and D/F# fits better with the songs. for instance, tripping billies is in the key of D, with the D/F#, the G, the A, and the reletive minor, Bm.
I think it's better to understand these as what they are period, not what they are in this particular song. The D/F# is exactly that when you let the d resonate but it's silly to say "everyone lets the d resonate". That just narrows your understanding of it. If you don't let the d resonate it is a f# minor 10th interval. Oh and tripping billes is in Bm not D. Play the chorus riff and end on D then play it and end on Bm. I think you'll agree.
i dont know how many times i've said this:

D and Bm are the same key

and tenth interval? i dont know what you are learning from, but it sounds like it is overcomplicating things...
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GSRLessard14 wrote:
adamondo wrote:How could they!?!
get to know 'em.... :wink: :lol:
i dont know how many times i've said this:

D and Bm are the same key

and tenth interval? i dont know what you are learning from, but it sounds like it is overcomplicating things...
Case and point.

I don't know how many times I've said this: D and Bm have the same notes but they are very much their own key. I would expect you to have a better undertanding of such a simple concept. If one is a minor key center and the other is a major key center how are they the SAME key. It seems your undercomplicating things. And yet your the go-to guy when it come's to theory.
And yes it's a tenth interval for the same reason we have 9,11, and 13 chords. You omit the 10th/12th when reffering to chords because it's a redundant note (same as the third/fifth) but when you only have two notes the quality of a 10th can be described. If you called it a major or minor 3rd thats not indicating that the notes are spread out over an octave.
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