[POLL] Who's Is Better?

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 4:47 pm

you don't want to hear the "bullshit," then don't ask for opinions. no one is insulting you. this has NOTHING to do with recording equipment. it has to do with the tempo. you've been told this. get over yourself, you are not the world's greatest guitarist, nor are you even the best on these boards. i personally think that title goes to fire. but regardless, that's not the issue. these are opinions. you have yours, we have ours. we are entitled to our opinions. like i said, get over yourself or don't ask for opinions of your guitar, because you'll always be dissapointed and pissed off with what we say unless we kiss your feet in worship of you, which is never going to happen.

DmbFanJason · Unread post by **DmbFanJason** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:04 pm

as far as im concerned from the covers i have seen there are only maybe 2 or 3 people on these boards who can play rhythm worth a damn...and tico, you are not one of them....your covers "guitar" part was crap, hands down...especially the trippin billies. your rhythm and fuckin "style" or whatever the hell you won't to call an excuse for not playing the song right was not impressive to say the least.

the only people that i have been impressed with on these boards is fire, because he has the "rhythm", you can tell...and gravedigger when he played grace is gone(that was spot on)...now then the only reason fires was better was because he played it faster...ok, whatever...fine I'll live with that.

On the other hand, I have been impressed with your "own" music tico, you cannot say anything else because that would be stupid In My Opinion. but as far as originals, that guy juineaxu or whatever the hell his name is beats you on original songs. his songs are different...yours sound the same as all the john mayer howie day bla bla bla bla bla bla...they are good nonetheless...

It's soo easy for people to come in here and critique and all that stuff, but I have NEVER heard anyone do a cover with the guitar part besides gravediggers that was spot on, EVER...Its because its too hard and you all fuckin know it. I mean seriously people, shit, would you rather hear some bs "own style" dave cover, or someone who makes it sounds exactly like dave...enough said.

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:10 pm

jason, i really don't care if you don't like my stuff. if those are your opinions, that's fine. i'm not going to get pissed about them, because it's not worth it. your opinions of my music really don't mean much, and in no way are they of any great importance to my life. i don't need your words to affirm what i know about myself as a musician. you just need to not let the opinions of other people bother you so much, or don't ask for them. we're not going to candy coat things for you so that you can feel good about yourself. everyone has said your two step was good but they liked fire's more. end of story. it doesn't have to turn into a war. and i could care less who is the best guitarist, or spot on covers, or the fact that you think i play like crap. this whole cover thing doesn't have to be about personal attacks, which is what you turn them into.

DmbFanJason · Unread post by **DmbFanJason** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:16 pm

yea, i agree, tico. you ARE a good musician and Im sure that has to do with how much you've studied and what not, but when it comes to raw talent and ear and all that stuff with the guitar, Fire is the only one that sticks out and actually forms some challenge to me(and gravediggers GIG)...I dont think you have what it takes to be able to play a DAve Matthews Band song....sorry...they are just too hard, and invlolve too many intricate slaps and rhythm and slides and chickas which make them way over your head.

firedancer86 · Unread post by **firedancer86** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:17 pm

You know why that is Jason :?:

It's because not everybody has no life and plays Dave all of the time...I put about ten minutes into playing it like on the board and I made my MP3...hell if you played it like that a year ago and only got to where you are now, you should be ashamed of yourself...

...nobody but you wants to be "spot on"; most people model their style after Dave...not try day and night to make a carbon copy!

I never said mine was spot on...I wouldn't want it to be! I play so many different things, that I refuse to get fixated on one mans way of playing it...and again, I never said I wanted it to be SPOT ON!

I refuse to get in any bragging contest, but I put 10 minutes into it...you said what, a year? You must spend more time copying and pasting his sound than actually learning how to get any better man!

It's not a contest of who sounds spot on, but it's a poll of who's COVER (that word means a rendition, not a copy) is better...

it could be my fault too...I didn't practice it for a year or whatever

Get over it, I never said it was to be "spot on" :!:

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:21 pm

jason, you nave no clue what you're talking about when you say that the only reason I can do anything with music is because of formal training and that it has nothing to do with ear or talent. I'm much more a musician by ear than by formal theory, and I've learned the theory to compliment my natural abilities. i don't mind if you don't like what i do, but i'll let you know if what you say about me is wrong. like fire, i don't care about doing stuff just like dave. I learned all the dave songs that I play in a few days. that's all the time i care to invest in it. i learned the stone in freaking ten minutes, so don't talk about what you don't know when it comes to my ear and my talent.

DmbFanJason · Unread post by **DmbFanJason** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:25 pm

whatever bullshit, fire...dude, 10 minutes my ass...thats just a pre-excuse for another excuse...i guess we'll never know though huh???? :wink:

How can I play it any better than how i have been...it's not like I have been practicing and practicing and finally last night I JUST GOT IT DOWN!

I have been playing it like that(on my mp3) for a year, you should be able to see thats what i meant you fuckin idiot.

It doesnt get any better that how I played it, it really just doesnt...maybe I could speed it up a little bit, but that is IT, ALL. and that little ending part was something that I through in there that I was fuckin around with one day...

LET THIS BE MY STABLE DATUM WHICH I BASE EVERY DAVE MATTHEWS COVER OFF OF:

IF YOU CANNOT PLAY IT LIKE DAVE, IT IS TOO HARD FOR YOU, OR YOU HAVENT PRACTICED ENOUGH YET, SO DON'T GIVE ME BULLSHIT EXCUSES. AND PLEEEEEEEEEEEEZ DONT GIVE ME THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT "YOUR OWN FUCKIN STYLE", UNLESS YOU CAN ALREADY PLAY IT LIKE DAVE AND """"CHOOSE""" NOT TO. EVERYONE AND THERE MOM WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO PLAY LIKE DAVE. ENOUGH BULLSHIT.

firedancer86 · Unread post by **firedancer86** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:27 pm

ticohans wrote:jason, you nave no clue what you're talking about when you say that the only reason I can do anything with music is because of formal training and that it has nothing to do with ear or talent. I'm much more a musician by ear than by formal theory, and I've learned the theory to compliment my natural abilities. i don't mind if you don't like what i do, but i'll let you know if what you say about me is wrong. like fire, i don't care about doing stuff just like dave. I learned all the dave songs that I play in a few days. that's all the time i care to invest in it. i learned the stone in freaking ten minutes, so don't talk about what you don't know when it comes to my ear and my talent.

Yaeh...Tico, don't be discouraged in the leats man...

AND HEY JASON...LISTEN TO THIS...I RECORDED THAT SONG WITH A MIC INPUT!...THAT SONG IS JUST THE SOUND OF CHET AMPLIFIED! NO EFFECTS FILTERS, NO EDITING, NO ANYTHING!
DON'T TELL ME ABOUT IT BEING "BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY"!

I don't even mind if you did win this poll :wink:

...and most of the time I get along with you because I brush off whatever you spout off giving you quit some leway...but when you want to post a song like, "HERE LIKE ME MORE (PLEEEEEASE)"> that's when I have to step in :wink:

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:27 pm

Jason, you wish that "everyone and their f'ing mom" would love to play like Dave because it's something you care about when not too many other people do.

johntherevelator · Unread post by **johntherevelator** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:29 pm

DmbFanJason wrote:I mean seriously people, shit, would you rather hear some bs "own style" dave cover, or someone who makes it sounds exactly like dave...enough said.

if i wanted to hear a dave song that sounded exactly like dave, id go listen to dave. you can learn all the slaps you want, but no one wants to hear dave #2, they want to hear whats original about jason. but the thing is, theres absolutely NOTHING original about you man, you try to play daves songs the exact way he does, but no one listens to make sure every little detail is the same. people dont judge covers on how much they sound like the original, they judge them by how good they sound. when i get my new mic, (1-2 weeks) im gonna be posting alot of originals and a lot of covers on here, and the covers wont be 'spot on' because i dont want them to be. youll hear solos in places where there are no solos when dave plays them, and ill make up new jams youve never heard before, because adding your own style and flavour to covers is what music is all about. so since you dont do that, you are not a good musician. so dont think you are. dont brag about how spot on your covers are because it makes no difference to everyone except you.

firedancer86 · Unread post by **firedancer86** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:30 pm

ticohans wrote:Jason, you wish that "everyone and their f'ing mom" would love to play like Dave because it's something you care about when not too many other people do.

YOU ARE CHALLENGING THE TALENT OF ALL OF THOSE AROUND YOU IDIOT! :lol:

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:31 pm

"Yaeh...Tico, don't be discouraged in the leats man... "

Fire, is that serious or slightly sarcastic? I can't quite tell

And are you saying that I'm challenging the talent or that Jason is??

I feel silly.

Dern message boards, you can never get the tone of things.

DmbFanJason · Unread post by **DmbFanJason** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:32 pm

tico shouldnt be discouraged you firechump...He knows hes fuckin good at writing guitar music and singing, he doesnt need to hear us tell him that...I think hes fuckin a better singer than john mayer. Fire, i give your ass leway too...

and why is it that you always post.." i didnt rehearse this" or "this is my first take" or "im gay dont bash me"
all these "pre-excuses" because you want people to say "wow!!you didnt even practice that??!?!?!!"

or "that was your first take!?!?!?!"

"I wish I could play like that on my first take"

well, all that is bullshit to me.

johntherevelator · Unread post by **johntherevelator** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:34 pm

DmbFanJason wrote:
I mean seriously people, shit, would you rather hear some bs "own style" dave cover, or someone who makes it sounds exactly like dave...enough said.

if i wanted to hear a dave song that sounded exactly like dave, id go listen to dave. you can learn all the slaps you want, but no one wants to hear dave #2, they want to hear whats original about jason. but the thing is, theres absolutely NOTHING original about you man, you try to play daves songs the exact way he does, but no one listens to make sure every little detail is the same. people dont judge covers on how much they sound like the original, they judge them by how good they sound. when i get my new mic, (1-2 weeks) im gonna be posting alot of originals and a lot of covers on here, and the covers wont be 'spot on' because i dont want them to be. youll hear solos in places where there are no solos when dave plays them, and ill make up new jams youve never heard before, because adding your own style and flavour to covers is what music is all about. so since you dont do that, you are not a good musician. so dont think you are. dont brag about how spot on your covers are because it makes no difference to everyone except you.

firedancer86 · Unread post by **firedancer86** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:35 pm

IF YOU CANNOT PLAY IT LIKE DAVE, IT IS TOO HARD FOR YOU, OR YOU HAVENT PRACTICED ENOUGH YET, SO DON'T GIVE ME BULLSHIT EXCUSES. AND PLEEEEEEEEEEEEZ DONT GIVE ME THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT "YOUR OWN FUCKIN STYLE", UNLESS YOU CAN ALREADY PLAY IT LIKE DAVE AND """"CHOOSE""" NOT TO. EVERYONE AND THERE MOM WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO PLAY LIKE DAVE. ENOUGH BULLSHIT.

Jason is challengin the talent and skill of everyone here...it's really funny how one could think so much of himself :lol:

No tico, no sarcasm...i really really like your stuff, because YOU WRITE IT

:lol:

I think Jason would have to sak Dave's permission to write his own stuff :wink:

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