Dmb has not peaked

[Kahn]

True, but in all honesty, I'm hoping for another BTCS.

[Jay]

True, but in all honesty, I'm hoping for another BTCS.

[musicalman865]

True, but in all honesty, I'm hoping for another BTCS.

whos the chick? lol

[jellyfish]

True, but in all honesty, I'm hoping for another BTCS.

Isn't that kind of contradictory, Jay? I could have sworn you wanted DMB to "swing the bat" and try new things, but yet you're looking for another album similar to an old one. Oh wiat, Im sorry. You were talking about how genious it was, Right?

[i am sam2]

True, but in all honesty, I'm hoping for another BTCS.

Isn't that kind of contradictory, Jay? I could have sworn you wanted DMB to "swing the bat" and try new things, but yet you're looking for another album similar to an old one. Oh wiat, Im sorry. You were talking about how genious it was, Right?

still a little bitter, eh?

[jellyfish]

Not at all. I just noticed the two different things he had said referring to the same question.

[Brock]

True, but in all honesty, I'm hoping for another BTCS.

Isn't that kind of contradictory, Jay? I could have sworn you wanted DMB to "swing the bat" and try new things, but yet you're looking for another album similar to an old one. Oh wiat, Im sorry. You were talking about how genious it was, Right?

Genius what was? He explained it quite well...

one of the reasons dave matthews loses points in musicianship with me is that he is afraid of his own shadow. he has proven consistantly that he has the capacity to make amazing music, and yet every time the band seems to approach it, they run off in another direction. i'm getting a bit tired of the "let's bring in a brand new producer and write an album in 9 days!!" routine. there *are* ways to have a change of pace and still have it be good music. radiohead reinvents themselves everytime they make an album...THAT is change of pace. (trying not to bring thom yorke into this too much cause he just plain wipes the floor with dave. at least martin vs. matthews is a fair fight)

DMB's changes seem to be afterthoughts, lacking in effort and in vision. their best album is 7 years behind them and nothing they have written since then, save one or two songs, comes even close to touching the majesty of BTCS. Busted Stuff was an after thought album, almost a "hey lets get Everyday behind us" album, and I don't feel that Stand Up, errr, stands up to X&Y on any level. coldplay is growing ever more impressive with each passing year, and dave almost seems to be regressing. seriously, sometimes it's like he phones it in, because dispite his humble exterior, i'm sure some part of him knows he can get away with it. Dave can make pretty good half-assed music, i just question whether or not that is a good idea.

Sorry, just needed to meet my quota of defending Jay / jumping on the bandwagon / being an immature 18-year-old / ummm.... anything else?

[jellyfish]

True, but in all honesty, I'm hoping for another BTCS.

Isn't that kind of contradictory, Jay? I could have sworn you wanted DMB to "swing the bat" and try new things, but yet you're looking for another album similar to an old one. Oh wiat, Im sorry. You were talking about how genious it was, Right?

Genius what was? He explained it quite well...

one of the reasons dave matthews loses points in musicianship with me is that he is afraid of his own shadow. he has proven consistantly that he has the capacity to make amazing music, and yet every time the band seems to approach it, they run off in another direction. i'm getting a bit tired of the "let's bring in a brand new producer and write an album in 9 days!!" routine. there *are* ways to have a change of pace and still have it be good music. radiohead reinvents themselves everytime they make an album...THAT is change of pace. (trying not to bring thom yorke into this too much cause he just plain wipes the floor with dave. at least martin vs. matthews is a fair fight)

DMB's changes seem to be afterthoughts, lacking in effort and in vision. their best album is 7 years behind them and nothing they have written since then, save one or two songs, comes even close to touching the majesty of BTCS. Busted Stuff was an after thought album, almost a "hey lets get Everyday behind us" album, and I don't feel that Stand Up, errr, stands up to X&Y on any level. coldplay is growing ever more impressive with each passing year, and dave almost seems to be regressing. seriously, sometimes it's like he phones it in, because dispite his humble exterior, i'm sure some part of him knows he can get away with it. Dave can make pretty good half-assed music, i just question whether or not that is a good idea.

Sorry, just needed to meet my quota of defending Jay / jumping on the bandwagon / being an immature 18-year-old / ummm.... anything else?

I like how you highlight one sentence from his paragraph. How about the one sentence where he says the new Coldplay album is better than Stand Up. That is a pretty popular opinon, but what you idiots forget is that there will be a ton of new albums coming out this year by releativley new artists that will be better than Stand Up, but will it mean they are superior to DMB? Fuck no. I thought you were smart?

i cant beleive how fucking blown out of proportion this got. Anyone in nvolved in attacking me, Fuck You. I cant make a simple statement with out getting ganged up. Bunch of fucking dickfaces.

[Brock]

I like how you highlight one sentence from his paragraph. How about the one sentence where he says the new Coldplay album is better than Stand Up. That is a pretty popular opinon, but what you idiots forget is that there will be a ton of new albums coming out this year by releativley new artists that will be better than Stand Up, but will it mean they are superior to DMB? Fuck no. I thought you were smart?

I laugh at this because you are using such "Twisted Logic" . Not once did anyone in that thread say "One album made by Coldplay is better than one album made by Dave Matthews Band. Therefore, Coldplay is better than Dave Matthews Band." No one said it because that's a ridiculous statement composed of ridiculous logic. Yet you're attempting to say that "us idiots" did say it. You're employing Bush tactics, Jelly. If you would actually read the quote that you started a fight about, you'd find the justification and reasoning for Jay's opinion, you'd see that it's pretty clearly thought-out, and not simply a gut reaction based off of one album from each artist. I have yet to find any justification from you for what you're advocating.

i cant beleive how fucking blown out of proportion this got. Anyone in nvolved in attacking me, Fuck You. I cant make a simple statement with out getting ganged up. Bunch of fucking dickfaces.

Fuck YOU Brock!

"Poor me, it's all everyone else's fault. I disagreed with someone's opinion and posted a very inflammatory and condescending comment and EVERYONE TOOK IT WRONG AND GANGED UP ON ME WAAAAAHHHHHH"

[jellyfish]

I like how you highlight one sentence from his paragraph. How about the one sentence where he says the new Coldplay album is better than Stand Up. That is a pretty popular opinon, but what you idiots forget is that there will be a ton of new albums coming out this year by releativley new artists that will be better than Stand Up, but will it mean they are superior to DMB? Fuck no. I thought you were smart?

I laugh at this because you are using such "Twisted Logic" . Not once did anyone in that thread say "One album made by Coldplay is better than one album made by Dave Matthews Band. Therefore, Coldplay is better than Dave Matthews Band." No one said it because that's a ridiculous statement composed of ridiculous logic. Yet you're attempting to say that "us idiots" did say it. You're employing Bush tactics, Jelly. If you would actually read the quote that you started a fight about, you'd find the justification and reasoning for Jay's opinion, you'd see that it's pretty clearly thought-out, and not simply a gut reaction based off of one album from each artist. I have yet to find any justification from you for what you're advocating.

i cant beleive how fucking blown out of proportion this got. Anyone in nvolved in attacking me, Fuck You. I cant make a simple statement with out getting ganged up. Bunch of fucking dickfaces.

Fuck YOU Brock!

"Poor me, it's all everyone else's fault. I disagreed with someone's opinion and posted a very inflammatory and condescending comment and EVERYONE TOOK IT WRONG AND GANGED UP ON ME WAAAAAHHHHHH"

You stupid Fuck! I called his statement ridiculous, How the fuck is that condenscedning? I wasn't insulting his intelligence, merely tellng Im I think he is nuts. Have you not ever said that to one of your friends? If so, did they take it as you were condenscending to them? I bet they didn't. Your logic if so fucking wrong. You can keep on proving you lack intelligence. Keep on going.

[jellyfish]

Ha! Inflammatory. Idiot.

[jellyfish]

I like how you highlight one sentence from his paragraph. How about the one sentence where he says the new Coldplay album is better than Stand Up. That is a pretty popular opinon, but what you idiots forget is that there will be a ton of new albums coming out this year by releativley new artists that will be better than Stand Up, but will it mean they are superior to DMB? Fuck no. I thought you were smart?

I laugh at this because you are using such "Twisted Logic" . Not once did anyone in that thread say "One album made by Coldplay is better than one album made by Dave Matthews Band. Therefore, Coldplay is better than Dave Matthews Band." No one said it because that's a ridiculous statement composed of ridiculous logic. Yet you're attempting to say that "us idiots" did say it. You're employing Bush tactics, Jelly. If you would actually read the quote that you started a fight about, you'd find the justification and reasoning for Jay's opinion, you'd see that it's pretty clearly thought-out, and not simply a gut reaction based off of one album from each artist. I have yet to find any justification from you for what you're advocating.

i cant beleive how fucking blown out of proportion this got. Anyone in nvolved in attacking me, Fuck You. I cant make a simple statement with out getting ganged up. Bunch of fucking dickfaces.

Fuck YOU Brock!

"Poor me, it's all everyone else's fault. I disagreed with someone's opinion and posted a very inflammatory and condescending comment and EVERYONE TOOK IT WRONG AND GANGED UP ON ME WAAAAAHHHHHH"

How wrong you are. Didn't Jay say how flawless or something similar to that in reference to Coldplay's albums. Therefore I made refernce to how good DMB's albums were excellent, trying to make the point that young artists always put out their best music then go into a rut. What don't you understand?

[jellyfish]

I meant DMB's first 3 albums.

EDIT: I emant the non sythensized 4th album called BTCS.


Yes, sythensizers are genious.

[Jay]

True, but in all honesty, I'm hoping for another BTCS.

Isn't that kind of contradictory, Jay? I could have sworn you wanted DMB to "swing the bat" and try new things, but yet you're looking for another album similar to an old one. Oh wiat, Im sorry. You were talking about how genious it was, Right?

i guess so (?). what i meant was not "i want them to record an album exactly like BTCS" i just meant i want another good, well planned, perfectly executed DMB album. if that happens to come in the form of Stand Up style dancebeats, so be it. i just want it to be good. that's what i mean by swing the bat. DMB had a chance with the lillywhite songs to make another BTCS (again, BTCS = phenomenal album) and they ran away. they had a chance again with this album (great start in '04 with those new songs) and once again, they got some crazy flashy producer, went in the studio as fast as possible and recorded a pretty acceptable CD.

as for new artists putting out their best stuff first and falling into a rut, i think that's common, but not absolute. like i already stated, i don't think UTTAD and crash are necessarily exceptional albums, just collections of really great songs. but compare them to coldplay, who imo is 3 for 3 and you get a different type of band. and then bring thom yorke back in...his band's first effort was total shit, and they didn't really come totally alive till album #3, but the thing is, they kept climbing.

i dont know, maybe dave matthews is 10x the musician that chris martin is, but it seems we won't get to see it because dave (or the band in general) has lost whatever spark he had that made it all come alive and pushed them ahead.

immagine a different DMB...one that didnt run themselves ragged touring every summer and often times winter and spring as well. immagine a well rested band who took LWS to the finish line. can you immagine what kind of masterpiece Stand Up would have been, had it not been the continuance of the meandering they started 5 years ago?

imo a lot of music is effort and passion. yes, i will flat out concede to you that Dave Matthews has written pieces of music that Chris Martin could not hope to touch (at least for the time being)...BUT, he is inconsistant and seems content in that. where i see chris martin and thom yorke always working to be at the top of their game, dave is like the really smart kid who never studies...the really great athlete that skips practice all the time. eventually, those kids get passed by the people who still give it their all.

and that sir, is why i feel that martin and yorke are superior musicians. i'm not asking you to agree. i'm not saying you are wrong if you don't. i'm not even saying that i will think the same way in a month. but what i don't understand, is how any of this is the least bit outrageous.

in closing, i don't think dmb has peaked, unless of course, they decide they have. it's in them to go lightyears beyond what we have heard from them so far.

[a1075dd63aa12]

wow, multi-thread argument