New Recording of Original

mangold · Unread post by **mangold** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:47 pm

this was for the never knew contest, which died because you people all suck willy. its not getting any attention over there so now it gets its own thread.

comments and criticism pwease

http://www.purevolume.com/andymangold

mangold · Unread post by **mangold** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:27 pm

20 views no replies. im losing faith in el boards

buffjam9011 · Unread post by **buffjam9011** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:47 pm

i really like the gutiar part. i wasn't so much a fan of the singing... i don't know if i didn't like the melody or just the singing in general... i really did like the guitar though...

Cor · Unread post by **Cor** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:23 pm

I like the riff. Singing is a little loud for the mix, it doesn't set well. I think you've got a little work to do for your voice, but I like some parts of it.

EDIT: I listened to your other song. This one I like much more. Singing still needs a little work, but the melody is catchy and I like the lyrics. I am not a fan of the solo, though.

RunsWithBuffalo · Unread post by **RunsWithBuffalo** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:18 pm

First off, great little riff, reminds me a lot of keller's playing style. It sounds really intricate and tricky even if it isn't. I also really enjoyed youre lyrics ( you should post them )

The mix is my biggest critique. You need to find a way to give your guitar more depth. What kind of mic are you using and how are you placing it? The guitar just sounds too distant which is a shame because its a very strong part of the song.

Your singing is definitely improving from when i first heard your stuff so that's good. The quality and overall sound of your voice is good, but the technique is where you need a little help. You need to add a little omph to you singing.

Work through these excercises, it should help:
http://www.vocalist.org.uk/breathing_exercises.html

Here are some more things that might help:
http://www.dmbtabs.com/boards/viewtopic ... techniques

Good luck and keep it up!

mangold · Unread post by **mangold** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:23 pm

thanks for the comments boys...

regarding my voice: you guys may not have been around but its a tremendous compliment to me for you to just say my voice needs work, because with the stuff i posted on the boards a while back, before my hiatus, my voice wasnt even bad. people thought i was kidding when i posted stuff. i still think its a HUGE weakness for me, but the fact that you guys think its even workable means alot to me.

yeh the solo on the second song doesnt really fit, but i dont care hahahahha i like it

mangold · Unread post by **mangold** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:29 pm

RunsWithBuffalo wrote:First off, great little riff, reminds me a lot of keller's playing style. It sounds really intricate and tricky even if it isn't. I also really enjoyed youre lyrics ( you should post them )

The mix is my biggest critique. You need to find a way to give your guitar more depth. What kind of mic are you using and how are you placing it? The guitar just sounds too distant which is a shame because its a very strong part of the song.

Your singing is definitely improving from when i first heard your stuff so that's good. The quality and overall sound of your voice is good, but the technique is where you need a little help. You need to add a little omph to you singing.

Work through these excercises, it should help:
http://www.vocalist.org.uk/breathing_exercises.html

Here are some more things that might help:
http://www.dmbtabs.com/boards/viewtopic ... techniques

Good luck and keep it up!

thanks for the legit help, keller is a big inspiration of mine.

my guitar is directly in because my mic SUCKS. its a soundboard ickup, 30 yrs old and pretty hit or miss. i dont like my setup right now but my buddy ordered some nice equipment ill have access to. then ill hopefully get some better quality up in her.

Lyrics

Never Knew

Why can't I be for her
Everything and more
She is to me

I can never repay her
For what shes done
Because

She'll never know

Her smile lights the way
For so many
Lost in the dark

Even though I tell her
Everyday
It seems

She'll never know

I can see it rains on her right now
But I know she'll be ok somehow
Nothing was ever able to conquer her

This world has fallen
On her shoulders
As of late

In vain I
Try to help her
Carry the weight

She'll never know

I can see it rains on her right now
But I know she'll be ok somehow
Nothing was ever able to conquer her

I can see it rains on her right now
But I know she'll be ok somehow
Nothing was ever able to conquer her

She never knew
About my love
She never knew
She was the one
She never knew
I'd die for her
She never knew
She was my world

She never knew
She never knew
She never knew
She never knew
And she'll never know

zenful · Unread post by **zenful** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:18 pm

you need to get on a piano and play what you melody SHOULD be doing. i can hear what notes your voice should hit, but you aren't quite making it. if you play the melody on a piano (or guitar), then you can hear just how off you are

eliot1171 · Unread post by **eliot1171** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:07 pm

I like the song but not the mixing. Sorry but I don't think the vocals and the guitar track sound good together mixing wise. All that aside great job on composing, way more than I got right now.

PS how the hell did you get the Purevolume link on your sig. I've been tryin to do that for two weeks and it never works. Post the code if you would please.

mangold · Unread post by **mangold** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:27 pm

eliot1171 wrote:I like the song but not the mixing. Sorry but I don't think the vocals and the guitar track sound good together mixing wise. All that aside great job on composing, way more than I got right now.

PS how the hell did you get the Purevolume link on your sig. I've been tryin to do that for two weeks and it never works. Post the code if you would please.

no prob, i had to edit the mofo

<a href="http://www.purevolume.com/andymangold" title="Listen to Andy Mangold at PureVolume.com">

</a>

just change the links to yours etc.

thanks for the feedback too. i plan to rerecord saturday with my buddies equip where i can actually record both tracks at once, what a concept.

mangold · Unread post by **mangold** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:17 pm

i rerecorded, and id really like some more feedback, im happier with this version.

same link: http://www.purevolume.com/andymangold

RunsWithBuffalo · Unread post by **RunsWithBuffalo** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:56 pm

Ok, im less hungover now, so ill critique. The singing was much much better, especially towards the end, i could actually hear you taking better breaths and putting more empasis into your singing, so great job on that!

It does get muffled at times and it sounds like you are too close to mic. Also, still too much bass in the vocal. What are you using for moniters because if you don't have some sort of subwoofer, you wont be hearing this problem. I do have one and its a little overpowering.

Here is a great article i just found that should help you out.

READ IT!
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar04/a ... vocals.htm

mangold · Unread post by **mangold** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:48 pm

RunsWithBuffalo wrote:Ok, im less hungover now, so ill critique. The singing was much much better, especially towards the end, i could actually hear you taking better breaths and putting more empasis into your singing, so great job on that!

It does get muffled at times and it sounds like you are too close to mic. Also, still too much bass in the vocal. What are you using for moniters because if you don't have some sort of subwoofer, you wont be hearing this problem. I do have one and its a little overpowering.

Here is a great article i just found that should help you out.

READ IT!
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar04/a ... vocals.htm

thanks again for the insightful help, youre a dying breed my man.

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