Critiques - What's the deal?

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Critiques - What's the deal?

Unread post by IronMike778 » Fri Feb 21, 2003 11:20 am

I honestly believe people are being way too sensitive about reviews. Hear me out. I believe there are different degrees of a 'negative' review. I think critiques such as "you need to work on the tempo, you're playing too fast/slow", or "your rhythm is a bit off, listen to the CD to help get it right" are excellent reviews. Those are constructive reviews that don't bash for the sake of bashing, they offer some ideas on how to make the song sound better. The dickhead responses are the one's like "I'm not gonna touch this one" or " The intro is wrong. The verse is wrong. The chorus is wrong.", or "all I have to say is....wow". If you think someone posted a song that sucks then show some respect for the guy and offer a way to improve it.....even if it needs a lot of improvement. Atleast point him in the right direction.

For the most part, most every review I read that offers some constructive criticism is done in a tactful way, yet there are those that get all bent that ANYTHING negative was said. I for one am not looking to be patronized. If I post something that needs improvement, then I want to be told how it can be improved. I'm a big boy....I can handle constructive criticism if it seems to be an honest and accurate criticism.

In my humble opinion, there are far more people on these boards that play Dave fair to ok, versus those that really have Dave's style down. I for one always thought I had Dave nailed pretty well until I started listening to others then listening to my own recordings. Ouch...very humbling. The Tripping Billies contest was a real eye opener for me. After hearing other people play the song it hit me like a ton of bricks just how much more work I needed to put into the song. While I knew the song, there was something that just wasn't right with the strumming and when put up against other people it became plainly obvious to me. Yet, nobody pointed it out to me. All I got were things like "excellent work" and "what can I say, it sounds great". While it's nice that people were positive, I would have appreciated some more honest critiques. Maybe that's just me, but I prefer it that way. I gotta believe there are more of you that think the same way. If you really think it sounds great then say it, but if you think it needs some tinkering then just say that.....patronizing does nothing to help someones playing. People post songs in order to get others' views, they don't post them to create some love fest for their cover. Yes, it takes some degree of balls to post a song, but if you can't face the fact that not everyone is gonna fall over themselves praising you, then maybe you shouldn't post a cover. This forum can be a fantastic way for everyone to improve their playing if it's used properly. Just my 2 cents :wink:

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Unread post by juineaux » Fri Feb 21, 2003 11:46 am

I agree completly. :D
I havnet had any problems myself, most everyone has been very helpful and listed any specific mistakes for me. But other people have had there stuff posted and they get responses like..wow..., or im not even gonna touch this, and thats bullshit. Tell the person exactly whats wrong and try to help them to fix it. We all havent been playing for the same length of time on here, so.....some of the people that post do need to be a little less afraid of a negative review also. I havent heard any reviews that were so bad that I would stop posting songs. I would much rather have constructive criticism than meaningless praise. blah, blah, blah...I tend to kinda drag on this....

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Unread post by dmplayer » Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:22 pm

I completely agree with you guys. I think that if someone takes the time to record a song and post it, then they deserve to have an HONEST evaluation of their work. There's a huge difference between being sensitive to their feelings and just pumping them full of false praise (or, for that matter, negativity). One of the things that I love most about this site is that we have the opportunity to listen to each others' takes on Dave's songs. Most of the people who come here and especially those who post covers do so with the hope that they can be better players and improve their songs. I think we need to be respectful, but completely honest.......


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Unread post by eclektik_rhythmz » Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:25 pm

I agree as well. First of all on this board not too many people gave my originals a critique but the ones who did i appreciate. But i wish more ppl would give feedback.
As for the negative critiques i don't see the problem with them b/c if u go out and play at an open mic or at a gig u run the risk of HECKLERS, but does that mean u should stop playing?
And i don't think it ever gets as bad as it could b/c the internet is faceless.

AS for a gripe i have isn't with this board but over at nancies.org, a few ppl critiqued my What Would You Say and said it was way wrong and other such things. Never once did ppl listen to me that i always have my guitar tuned a half step down for singing purposes and i still play in "dave's way".

But let's move on from this and learn 1). Give more critiques especially to originals 2). Don't be purposefully mean just be honest, if the song sucks In Your Opinion give advice why you don't like it AND HOW TO IMPROVE.

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Unread post by cave_cricket » Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:31 pm

I have had no complaints about the songs I've posted. I agree with what you have been saying but I feel that, for the most part, it has been done that way. OH well.

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Unread post by IronMike778 » Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:16 pm

cave_cricket wrote:I have had no complaints about the songs I've posted. I agree with what you have been saying but I feel that, for the most part, it has been done that way. OH well.

Peace,
Cave...you post quality stuff.....you need not worry about patronizing feedback. :D But, my original point came from the thread " My first 2 covers..please be nice". Check out the response by BigSpeen.
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Unread post by cave_cricket » Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:21 pm

IronMike778 wrote:
cave_cricket wrote:I have had no complaints about the songs I've posted. I agree with what you have been saying but I feel that, for the most part, it has been done that way. OH well.

Peace,
Cave...you post quality stuff.....you need not worry about patronizing feedback. :D But, my original point came from the thread " My first 2 covers..please be nice". Check out the response by BigSpeen.
Yeah but that was one response out of how many that have been made? THere will always be someone that will make one bad remark at an inapproprate time. That was that time.

I don't see the problem in what BigSpeen said...I think you pointed the finger at the wrong person....

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Unread post by juineaux » Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:50 pm

I thought i should mention this. If you want reviews of your original music check out http://www.garageband.com its pretty cool you get alot of reviews, but people get really competitive and a little too harsh. I still think DMBtabs is the best place to get a good honest review compared to all the others.

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Unread post by DaveKenneysBand » Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:53 pm

Yeah, I think that talking shit about someones music is bad. Try to help them out. It takes courage to put that up there. Maybe thats why I haven't done it yet. I need a hug. javascript:emoticon(':cry:')
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Unread post by DmbFanJason » Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:58 pm

I agree....Yeah I agree....You know what?? I agree ...yeah I agree...Hey, i support this post...This is a good point..............shut up people, god damn, of course you agree...if you didn't you would be a fuckin moron.

critiquing is bullshit period...especially on this site...it's a friggin joke, it's so swayed and bias...

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Unread post by DaveKenneysBand » Fri Feb 21, 2003 4:03 pm

I think Jason needs a hug too.
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Unread post by jseymour_va » Fri Feb 21, 2003 4:06 pm

DaveKenneysBand wrote:I think Jason needs a hug too.
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Unread post by gravedigger » Fri Feb 21, 2003 4:07 pm

I agree with everything that was posted so far...... I can't think of anything else to say.
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Unread post by Speenis » Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:03 pm

cave_cricket wrote:
IronMike778 wrote:
cave_cricket wrote:I have had no complaints about the songs I've posted. I agree with what you have been saying but I feel that, for the most part, it has been done that way. OH well.

Peace,
Cave...you post quality stuff.....you need not worry about patronizing feedback. :D But, my original point came from the thread " My first 2 covers..please be nice". Check out the response by BigSpeen.
Yeah but that was one response out of how many that have been made? THere will always be someone that will make one bad remark at an inapproprate time. That was that time.

I don't see the problem in what BigSpeen said...I think you pointed the finger at the wrong person....

Peace,
Huh?!?!?! Am I being misinterpreted or something???? Or did someone mean to say someone else????? I'm just really confused and not yet mad because I think there is a misunderstanding. But, I'm trying to figure out how someone is pointing their finger at me like cave said. I have only said positive things on this site in all cases, except for talking about me being retarded or something. I just don't wanna "jump to conclusions" (office space, 2000) and start having some crazy ordeal similar to an incident in the past. If anyone can help explain whats up that'd be cool..... Peace all

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Unread post by gravedigger » Fri Feb 21, 2003 6:22 pm

I think he mentioned the wrong person by mistake. like cave said, he pointed the finger at the wrong person.
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