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Unread post by globex » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:48 pm

I need a little chord help. Im just learing music theory and can't quite figure this out. What chord is this?

Notes are: A E B C#

I play it as:

x
x
6
9
7
5

But that's really not easy to play and I was to get a different position of the chord up higher on the guitar so Im wondering if someone could tell me what chord it actually is.

Thanks in advance.
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Unread post by Duffman » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:19 pm

thats an Aadd9. the major triad of A is A(root) C#(3rd) and E(5th), then B is the 2nd of A, which is called a 9 for some reason in chords, i guess because its an octive above the root A.
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Unread post by globex » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:28 pm

That's what I thought too for a sec, but A(add9) doesn't have the C# in it.
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Unread post by Duffman » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:34 pm

yes it does. its the 3rd of A. you might be thinking of an Asus2, which has a 2nd insted of a 3rd
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Unread post by globex » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:36 pm

Isn't A(add9) played as:

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2
2
0
x

Which is A, B, E, B, E
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Unread post by Duffman » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:37 pm

thats an Asus2. the sus means suspended. those kind of chords resolve to a major chord with a 3rd.

in contrast, the chord you posted has a 2nd and 3rd, so it doesn't need to be resolved. it just has a 2nd in it.
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Unread post by globex » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:43 pm

Okie thanks.
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Unread post by Duffman » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:46 pm

i forget who posted this, so i can't give credit to who wrote it, but here is a good cheat sheet of chord forumlas:
FORMULAS

maj - 1 3 5
min - 1 b3 5
maj7 - 1 3 5 7
(dom)7 - 1 3 5 b7
m7 - 1 b3 5 b7
sus2 - 1 2 5
sus4 - 1 4 5
aug - 1 3 #5
dim - 1 b3 b5
add2 - 1 2 3 5
add4 - 1 3 4 5
(dom)9 - 1 3 5 b7 9
maj9 - 1 3 5 7 9
min9 - 1 b3 5 b7 9
dom11 - 1 3 5 b7 9 11
maj11 - 1 3 5 7 9 11
min11 - 1 b3 5 b7 9 11
dom13 - 1 3 5 b7 9 13
maj13 - 1 3 5 7 9 13
min13 - 1 b3 5 b7 9 13
Dim(full) - 1 b3 b5 bb7(6)
aug7 - 1 3 #5 b7

FORMATIONS

maj - 133211, x13331
min - 133111, x13321
dom7 - 131211, x13131
maj7 - 1x221x, x13231
min7 - 113121, 131111
dom7#9 - x3234x

the formation for minor7 starting on the fifth string is the same as the 7 formation starting on the 6th string...

whenever a chord just has "7" it is called a dominant 7, so i will refer to those as "dom7" from now on

FLATS/SHARPS

whenever you see and "add" on the end of the chord, it just means you add that interval..
so... a Dm(add4) would be 1 b3 4 5

b2, #2, b3, #4, b5, #5, b6, b7

Bb
well, just look at the Bb manor scale and find the 1 3 and %
5
i know the b means flat... just mixed crap up
1 3 and 5?

if i were to say b3 (flat 3), that means to flat the 3, or go down one half step...
(b3 of Cmaj is Eb)


ENHARMONIC TONES (one note having 2 names ie Bb and A#)

when you have a key like Bb, you have the notes Bb and Eb
but you wouldn't write down A# or D#
if a key starts in a flat, the other notes that aren't natural should have flats too...
same for sharps...

WAYS TO REMEMBER INTERVALS AND SCALES

well, to remember the scales it would be best just to know, the steps (WWHWWWH)...
and for the formulas...
you just kind of have to know them...
but the best way to look at it is to see the small differences in the formulas...
for instance...
the dom7, maj7, and min7 are all very similar....
all three have the 1 and 5
the dom7 and maj7 both have the 3..
and the min7 and dom7 both have the b7

EXTENSIONS

if you were to make the major scale all the way out, and keep going every time you start on the original note, you'll make extensions...
and here they are...

the 9 (same thing as the 2!)
the 11 (same thing as the 4!)
and the 13 (same thing as the 6!)
and those are the only extension, it doesn't go past the 13

so if you see a chord that says Cadd2, and then anothe that says, Cadd9, guess what they are the same thing!

lets work on some 9s 11s and 13s
alright when you have these extensions, they are three types, and they are based on the maj, min and dom seven chords

ORDER OF IMPORTANCE

Because there are so many notes, you'll have to leave some out, but you need to know which ones to drop first.

MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT

The 3 (or b3)
The 7 (or b7)
The Extensions
The Root
The 5

Alright so if you wanna make somethin like the maj 13, these are the intervals you'll probably want to have:

1 3 7 13 (and maybe the 9)

IMPORTANCE OF INTERVALS

The 3 or b3 is important because it is what makes the chord major or minor
The 7 or the b7 is the next most important because it is what makes the chord or maj7 min7 or dom7
The extension are next because they are what give the extended chords their name (why would you call it an 11 if it doesn't have an eleven)
the root is next because it is usually played by a bass player. this is only true if their is a bass player of course (you'll want the root if you are by yourself)
the 5 is least important because it doesn't change the indentity of the chord (you'll notice almost all the formulas i gave you have the 5)
the 5 is important only if you "alter" it (like a b5 or a #5)

with 11's and 13's, you can usually drop the 9 before you would drop something like the root

DIMINISHED

When we say a diminshed chords, we are talking about the set of chords that have the b5 in them. All diminished chords have the b3.
And then there is the half-diminished chord (also written, min7b5, min7-5)

symbol = a degree symbol with a slash through it usually raised like an exponent... (so it would look like C(Symbol))

dim7, °
C° means C Full Diminished
if the ° has a slash through it it means half diminished
FULL DIMINISHED - 1 b3 b5 bb7

Ddim9 - 1 b3 b5 bb7 9

if its half it will tell you... Eb9 (b5)
if a "dim" has an extension it will be full dim

AUGMENTED

Similiar to the diminished in that the 5 is changed.

The basic aug... 1 3 #5

Augmented 7 - (aug7, +7, 7#5)

see how the plus symbol means augmented and the minus symbol means diminished?
the minus symbol can also mean flatting the note

ALTERATIONS

Alterations are just written into the formulas like this...

D7b9 (Formula: 1 3 5 b7 b9)
Dm7b5(add4) (Formula: 1 b3 4 b5 b7)

SUS

For sus chords, always replace the 3 with 2 for sus2 or 4 for sus4.

If there is no 2 or 4, then you can choose which one you want.
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Unread post by fatjack » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:26 pm

wow, that brings me back

those are some snippets from an AIM convo of me teaching shane all that stuff a LONG time ago... has to have been almost two years since then. its good to know other people have shared the knowledge as well
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Unread post by a1075dd63aa12 » Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:32 am

Duffman wrote:thats an Asus2. the sus means suspended. those kind of chords resolve to a major chord with a 3rd.

in contrast, the chord you posted has a 2nd and 3rd, so it doesn't need to be resolved. it just has a 2nd in it.
what exactly does that mean??

and what would a major9 chord work with?

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Unread post by i-am-me » Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:42 am

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Unread post by a1075dd63aa12 » Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:45 am

oh yea, this isnt going to help you in the long run, but you could use it to find chords on the go

http://www.jguitar.com/chordname?string ... &string0=x

found it here on the boards

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Unread post by Duffman » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:19 pm

wkpggrvn2001 wrote:
Duffman wrote:thats an Asus2. the sus means suspended. those kind of chords resolve to a major chord with a 3rd.

in contrast, the chord you posted has a 2nd and 3rd, so it doesn't need to be resolved. it just has a 2nd in it.

what exactly does that mean??
sus2 and sus4 chords are kind of just a cool way to trasition to a chord. playing the sus chord is like holding your breath, then playing the major chord is exhaling. a good ending for a song or verse. this is what i meant when i said it resolves. i can't think of a specific example now, but i'll keep my ears open.

thats just one way to use them though. you can also use them on their own. dave uses sus2 chords in a bunch of songs, the first 2 chords in fool to think are sus2 chords.

as for you other question:
wkpggrvn2001 wrote:and what would a major9 chord work with?
i only know the basics of chord progression and where chords should go, so you should ask fatjack
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Unread post by a1075dd63aa12 » Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:39 pm

Duffman wrote:
wkpggrvn2001 wrote:
Duffman wrote:thats an Asus2. the sus means suspended. those kind of chords resolve to a major chord with a 3rd.

in contrast, the chord you posted has a 2nd and 3rd, so it doesn't need to be resolved. it just has a 2nd in it.

what exactly does that mean??
sus2 and sus4 chords are kind of just a cool way to trasition to a chord. playing the sus chord is like holding your breath, then playing the major chord is exhaling. a good ending for a song or verse. this is what i meant when i said it resolves. i can't think of a specific example now, but i'll keep my ears open.

thats just one way to use them though. you can also use them on their own. dave uses sus2 chords in a bunch of songs, the first 2 chords in fool to think are sus2 chords.


as for you other question:
wkpggrvn2001 wrote:and what would a major9 chord work with?
i only know the basics of chord progression and where chords should go, so you should ask fatjack
cool makes complete sense, now that i think about it

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