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My method for practicing scales

Unread post by i like tictacs » Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:41 pm

I see alot of talk around here about scales, and practice them and learn them and whatnot. Well I also see alot people playing/practicing scales from root to root, and to be honest this doesn't really help you much when in an actual playnig situation. you want to be able to utilize all the notes in that scale in a given position on your fretboard, not just root to root. a little theory/scale construction knowledge is needed here, so bear with me. so this is what i have been doing. say we are practicing a c major scale. don't just start on C on your third fret A string and go... CDEFGABC...try starting on your E string. Either the open E or first fret F will work. play all the notes in the key of C starting with the open E, in the first position, or with your index finger on the first fret. so we go

E: E F G
A: A B C
D: D E F
G: G A B
B: C D (skip the open B string)
e: E F G

and so on. now, when you need to pick a note from the C major scale for whatever you are playing, you are familiar with all the notes in this scale/key/whathaveyou and you can use them at your disposal. don't just do this for c, do this for all the scales you know in all the keys you can. also, practice this all over the fretboard, not just down low. you will notice there are always three patterns, and three patterns only, which will help alot once you get going.

so if we did this for an A scale, we would start

E F# G#
A B C#
D E F#


and so on...

get me?

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Unread post by dmbguitar718 » Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:51 pm

Good stuff. Kinda like the stuff I'm doing with my guitar teacher.
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Unread post by DMBFan63 » Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:53 pm

by three patterns, do you mean.. say on an E scale on just the E string. it goes 0-2-4-5-7-9-11-12
hmm..this is the part I wanted to try and explain, but can't quite explain it. Major scales.. they'll always either be 1 note followed by no note and then 2 notes(picture a fretboard) or 2 notes followed by no note then 1 note or 1 note, no note, 1 note, no note 1 note..

I just confused people unbelievably with my rambling
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Unread post by i like tictacs » Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:55 pm

DMBFan63 wrote:by three patterns, do you mean.. say on an E scale on just the E string. it goes 0-2-4-5-7-9-11-12
hmm..this is the part I wanted to try and explain, but can't quite explain it. Major scales.. they'll always either be 1 note followed by no note and then 2 notes(picture a fretboard) or 2 notes followed by no note then 1 note or 1 note, no note, 1 note, no note 1 note..

I just confused people unbelievably with my rambling
just try doing that up and down the fretboard, you'll see what i mean.

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Unread post by DMBFan63 » Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:02 pm

i like tictacs wrote:
DMBFan63 wrote:by three patterns, do you mean.. say on an E scale on just the E string. it goes 0-2-4-5-7-9-11-12
hmm..this is the part I wanted to try and explain, but can't quite explain it. Major scales.. they'll always either be 1 note followed by no note and then 2 notes(picture a fretboard) or 2 notes followed by no note then 1 note or 1 note, no note, 1 note, no note 1 note..

I just confused people unbelievably with my rambling
just try doing that up and down the fretboard, you'll see what i mean.
I know exactly what you mean.. I was just trying to further explain what you said about the 3 patterns that you mentioned. I'm much for lead, but I can do it if I really need to, so I know my scales pretty well
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Re: My method for practicing scales

Unread post by Speenis » Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:47 pm

i like tictacs wrote:
E: E F G
A: A B C
D: D E F
G: G A B
B: C D (skip the open B string)
e: E F G

and so on. now, when you need to pick a note from the C major scale for whatever you are playing, you are familiar with all the notes in this scale/key/whathaveyou and you can use them at your disposal. don't just do this for c, do this for all the scales you know in all the keys you can. also, practice this all over the fretboard, not just down low. you will notice there are always three patterns, and three patterns only, which will help alot once you get going.

so if we did this for an A scale, we would start

E F# G#
A B C#
D E F#


and so on...

get me?
Feel free to do the other scales.
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Unread post by Grandpagotgame » Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:58 pm

I see what you are saying, thanks for the advice.

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Unread post by GuitarGuy305 » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:58 pm

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Re: My method for practicing scales

Unread post by i like tictacs » Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:39 pm

BigSpeen3436 wrote:
i like tictacs wrote:
E: E F G
A: A B C
D: D E F
G: G A B
B: C D (skip the open B string)
e: E F G

and so on. now, when you need to pick a note from the C major scale for whatever you are playing, you are familiar with all the notes in this scale/key/whathaveyou and you can use them at your disposal. don't just do this for c, do this for all the scales you know in all the keys you can. also, practice this all over the fretboard, not just down low. you will notice there are always three patterns, and three patterns only, which will help alot once you get going.

so if we did this for an A scale, we would start

E F# G#
A B C#
D E F#


and so on...

get me?
Feel free to do the other scales.
i'm not sitting here and writing ten or so scales in 12 keys

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Unread post by jellyfish » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:50 am

It all looks chinese to me.

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Re: My method for practicing scales

Unread post by Speenis » Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:35 am

i like tictacs wrote:
BigSpeen3436 wrote:
i like tictacs wrote:
E: E F G
A: A B C
D: D E F
G: G A B
B: C D (skip the open B string)
e: E F G

and so on. now, when you need to pick a note from the C major scale for whatever you are playing, you are familiar with all the notes in this scale/key/whathaveyou and you can use them at your disposal. don't just do this for c, do this for all the scales you know in all the keys you can. also, practice this all over the fretboard, not just down low. you will notice there are always three patterns, and three patterns only, which will help alot once you get going.

so if we did this for an A scale, we would start

E F# G#
A B C#
D E F#


and so on...

get me?
Feel free to do the other scales.
i'm not sitting here and writing ten or so scales in 12 keys
Come on, pleaaaaaaaaase? This is the first thing I have ever been able to understand about scales. If not, thanks for the help so far.
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Unread post by mlb1399 » Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:06 am

Here are a few more

In G:
e: E, F#(2), G(3)
B: B, C(1), D(3)
G: G, A(2),
D: D, E(2), F#(4)
A: A, B(2), C(4)
E: E, F#(2), G(3)

In D
e: E, F#, G
B: B, C#, D
G: G, A,
D: D, E, F#
A: A, B, C#
E: E, F#, G

In E
e: E, F#, G
B: B, C#, D#
G: G#, A,
D: D#, E, F#
A: A, B, C#
E: F#, G#

Something that has helped me is learning a certain formation of patterns that fit within the scale for instance:

In C:
e: 0, 1, 3
B:0, 1 ,3
G:0, 2
D:0, 2, 3
A:0, 2, 3
E:0, 1, 3
If you notice the relationships between the frets you can just move everything over 1 fret to go to the next key following the same pattern.

In C#
e:1,2, 4
B:1,2,4
G:1,3
D:1,3,4
A:1,3,4
E:1,2,4

In D
e:2,3,5
B:2,3,5
G:2,4
D:2,4,5
A:2,4,5
E:2,3,5

and so forth

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Unread post by mlb1399 » Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:14 am

Another easy pattern to remember for minor pentatonic scales is:

F minor Pentatonic Scale
e:1,4
B:1,4
G:1,3
D:1,3
A:1,3
E:1,4

So move everything over 1 fret and you have F#, then G

G min Pentatonic Scale
e:3,6
B:3,6
G:3,5
D:3,5
A:3,5
E:3,6

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Unread post by jellyfish » Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:22 am

mlb1399 wrote:Another easy pattern to remember for minor pentatonic scales is:

F minor Pentatonic Scale
e:1,4
B:1,4
G:1,3
D:1,3
A:1,3
E:1,4

So move everything over 1 fret and you have F#, then G

G min Pentatonic Scale
e:3,6
B:3,6
G:3,5
D:3,5
A:3,5
E:3,6
Do the numbers "3", 5" mean what fret to hit on that string?

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Unread post by mlb1399 » Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:29 am

jellyfish wrote: Do the numbers "3", 5" mean what fret to hit on that string?
Yes sir.

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